aliens

Phantom Limb · 04-20-2011, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down

I haven't completely ruled out the notion that there might be something more out there. I'm just skeptical about the whole UFO thing. UFO =/= Aliens per say. I just wonder why they would want to interact with us and not make any sort of proper "landing" or something. Also, the fact that Area 51 is so secretive makes me even more skeptical about UFO investigations.

Should this be moved to the Philosophy, etc. section?

Don't talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking - Times Online

They don't make a proper landing because they probably don't want to be friends, they want our resources.

RVCA · 04-20-2011, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

-There are on the order of 100,000,000,000 (one hundred billion) galaxies in the universe, as far as our telescopes can detect.
-Some of these galaxies may hold up to 100,000,000,000 stars, but most galaxies probably contain at least 10,000,000,000 (ten billion) stars.
-Young galaxies may not have formed many solar systems yet, while very old galaxies may have very few solar systems left. For the galaxies of middle age, as many as 1/4 of the stars may possess solar systems.

Assuming for practical and computational purposes that 1/3 of galaxies are of "middle age" and full of stars, you get:
(3.33 x 10^10 galaxies) times (1.00 x 10^10 stars) times (1/4) = conservatively and roughly 8.325 x 10^19 stars with solar systems in our universe.

That's 83 billion billion (83 with eighteen zeros after it) other stars with solar systems in the universe. To me, it's a statistical inevitability that we are not the only intelligent life in the universe. Alien life is not something you "believe in", it's pretty much something that exists, but we have yet to discover.

Also, I'm trying really hard not to respond to the nonsense in this thread

Mr November · 04-20-2011, 03:29 PM

Even if there are 8.325 10^19 stars that doesn't mean that there has to be intelligent life elsewhere. What were the chances of human beings happening? Think about that, and you eliminate a vast majority of those stars as possible places for life.

I agree that life probably exists elsewhere in the universe... but intelligent life I'm no so convinced. I think there's a good chance, but not that it's a sure thing.

Granted - life can probably develop a whole bunch of ways that we can't even comprehend. Maybe life developed somewhere in a way we just couldn't have guessed.

~~Dirty~~ · 04-20-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Thom Yorke

Note to self: befriend Tom Cruise and Mel Gibson before the impending invasion.

Just keep a hose near you, aliens apparently hate water according to Signs.

God I hate Mel Gibson and that movie. Maybe he's one of the aliens.

djchameleon · 04-20-2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

If there is life on other planets, then we should not know about it, because we'd go and do something idiotic like declare war on them or try and kidnap them for our own research, and they'd just up and nuke us.

Honestly, we as a species can't handle that information. If there is life outside of Earth, it hasn't destroyed us yet, so we ought not give it a reason to.

According to some people they will attack and destroy us soon but various difference types are a bit busy studying us to find out all of our weaknesses and to planning their attack. We might as well get a jump on them before we end up in defense mode because people are too passive/hippy to go out and defend our planet with an aggressive first strike against them. They should declare war on them. The only research we are probably doing is from the few dead bodies that we have that have crash landed here and also piloting various aircrafts.

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Originally Posted by Abearmauledme

Don't talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking - Times Online

They don't make a proper landing because they probably don't want to be friends, they want our resources.

Not, only do they want our resources they want our bodies as well. They don't want to attack us because they are too busy studying us.

Burning Down · 04-20-2011, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Thom Yorke

Note to self: befriend Tom Cruise and Mel Gibson before the impending invasion.

Apparently Tom Cruise is building some big-ass alien proof bunker under his house in Colorado in preparation for an impending alien rapture, which Scientologists believe will happen on December 21st, 2012.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Not, only do they want our resources they want our bodies as well. They don't want to attack us because they are too busy studying us.

That reminds me of the Heat-Rays that the Martians used in the book War of the Worlds, also in the movie (which ironically stars Tom Cruise). I think those Martians were devouring humans with the heat-rays and using them as fuel or something. Can't remember.

RVCA · 04-20-2011, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian E Coleman

Even if there are 8.325 10^19 stars that doesn't mean that there has to be intelligent life elsewhere. What were the chances of human beings happening? Think about that, and you eliminate a vast majority of those stars as possible places for life.

How is that? Do you know what the chances of human beings "happening" were?

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I agree that life probably exists elsewhere in the universe... but intelligent life I'm no so convinced. I think there's a good chance, but not that it's a sure thing.

Why? What makes Earth so special? The universe is so incomprehensibly vast that it's quite silly and self-important to think that humans are somehow special.

CanwllCorfe · 04-20-2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

-There are on the order of 100,000,000,000 (one hundred billion) galaxies in the universe, as far as our telescopes can detect.
-Some of these galaxies may hold up to 100,000,000,000 stars, but most galaxies probably contain at least 10,000,000,000 (ten billion) stars.
-Young galaxies may not have formed many solar systems yet, while very old galaxies may have very few solar systems left. For the galaxies of middle age, as many as 1/4 of the stars may possess solar systems.

Assuming for practical and computational purposes that 1/3 of galaxies are of "middle age" and full of stars, you get:
(3.33 x 10^10 galaxies) times (1.00 x 10^10 stars) times (1/4) = conservatively and roughly 8.325 x 10^19 stars with solar systems in our universe.

That's 83 billion billion (83 with eighteen zeros after it) other stars with solar systems in the universe. To me, it's a statistical inevitability that we are not the only intelligent life in the universe. Alien life is not something you "believe in", it's pretty much something that exists, but we have yet to discover.

Yup. This is pretty much how I feel on the subject. Do I think it's possible they visited us at one time or another? Perhaps, but nothing further than that.

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Originally Posted by RVCA

Why? What makes Earth so special? The universe is so incomprehensibly vast that it's quite silly and self-important to think that humans are somehow special.

Exactly! How could it be that we are the ONLY intelligent life in a practically limitless space?

I'm having a hard time thinking that there WOULDN'T be.

RVCA · 04-20-2011, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe

Yup. This is pretty much how I feel on the subject. Do I think it's possible they visited us at one time or another? Perhaps, but nothing further than that.

I doubt it. From what we know about the way our universe works, it's currently impossible to travel faster than the speed of light. So even if an advanced alien race from another galaxy developed a method of traveling at the speed of light (299,792,458 m/s), it would take them thousands of year to "visit" us. The nearest galaxies are the Sagittarius and Canis Major dwarfs, which are some 80,000 and 25,000 light years away respectively. So that's a 25,000-80,000 year journey.

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Exactly! How could it be that we are the ONLY intelligent life in a practically limitless space?

I'm having a hard time thinking that there WOULDN'T be.

Yeah, and to be honest, I think the notion that we're the only intelligent form of life in the universe is largely a religious one.

CanwllCorfe · 04-20-2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

I doubt it. From what we know about the way our universe works, it's currently impossible to travel faster than the speed of light. So even if an advanced alien race from another galaxy developed a method of traveling at the speed of light (299,792,458 m/s), it would take them thousands of year to "visit" us. The nearest galaxies are the Sagittarius and Canis Major dwarfs, which are some 80,000 and 25,000 light years away respectively. So that's a 25,000-80,000 year journey.

And?

Kidding. That's a good point! But what about faster than light? That's right. I said faster than light. Where's your science now?

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Originally Posted by RVCA

Yeah, and to be honest, I think the notion that we're the only intelligent form of life in the universe is largely a religious one.

That's what I was thinking. There can't be other life out there! They're not accounted for! They must be heathens.

04-20-2011, 03:29 PM	#53 (permalink)
Mr November Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Halifax, Canada Posts: 429	Even if there are 8.325 10^19 stars that doesn't mean that there has to be intelligent life elsewhere. What were the chances of human beings happening? Think about that, and you eliminate a vast majority of those stars as possible places for life. I agree that life probably exists elsewhere in the universe... but intelligent life I'm no so convinced. I think there's a good chance, but not that it's a sure thing. Granted - life can probably develop a whole bunch of ways that we can't even comprehend. Maybe life developed somewhere in a way we just couldn't have guessed.