Hahaha. No. The Earth is like 5 billion years old, and that statement alone kind of threw a lot of your credibility out the window, not to mention some of the assertions you're making. I'm not convinced one bit by this "proof".

Not to say I don't believe in aliens, but I believe humans have very little if any understanding of them.

Seriously, hollywood movies preparing us?

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. The Romans were very heavily influenced by the Greeks.

While there certainly was a blend of science and religion, how does this mean anything? You had a large portion of the population (Stoics) that believed the universe was part of a single whole and that gods were present in everything. How does that leave anything up to interpretation for aliens?

The idea for those type of movies originally stemmed from America's response to the spread of communism, and how we could've been invaded by the Soviets. Plus, the concept of extra-terrestrials is natural due to humanity's strong curiosity in the universe.

I definitely believe in other life forms out in the universe, though (the probability of us being the only ones is just too slim). I'll admit, however, that I have doubts about their visitation to our planet...

Video was interesting, but kind of corny.

Or... it could be the psychological need for mankind to want a "fatherly figure" to be looking after them. Of course, if you want to dismiss Freud then go ahead.

Freud on Religion

If movies are indicators of life outside of planet earth, then I'm also expecting invasions of transformers and hobbits.

You know how they come up with the ideas for movies? It's a little thing called creativity mixed with imagination. As an adult you may have forgotten about it but it still exists.

Yes that sounds like a good idea.

I'd love to come in contact with an alien but I believe that most of the UFO sightings are from humans piloting those ships and trying to figure out how they work. What happens in Area 51 area is pretty much that. Air Force pilots playing around with spacecrafts. There is also an Area 53 that doesn't get talked much about but it exists and isn't talked about much.

Lol at invasions from transformers and hobbits. Although transformers are aliens no?

And I think whoever mentioned how terrible most governments are at keeping secrets was on to something. I mean.. there are some people who come out and say they've worked for the military and seen UFOs and stuff - but we just dismiss them as conspiracy theorist...

Actually that didn't strengthen my own position, but I just like playing devil advocate.

If there is life on other planets, then we should not know about it, because we'd go and do something idiotic like declare war on them or try and kidnap them for our own research, and they'd just up and nuke us.

Honestly, we as a species can't handle that information. If there is life outside of Earth, it hasn't destroyed us yet, so we ought not give it a reason to.

Note to self: befriend Tom Cruise and Mel Gibson before the impending invasion.

-There are on the order of 100,000,000,000 (one hundred billion) galaxies in the universe, as far as our telescopes can detect.
-Some of these galaxies may hold up to 100,000,000,000 stars, but most galaxies probably contain at least 10,000,000,000 (ten billion) stars.
-Young galaxies may not have formed many solar systems yet, while very old galaxies may have very few solar systems left. For the galaxies of middle age, as many as 1/4 of the stars may possess solar systems.

Assuming for practical and computational purposes that 1/3 of galaxies are of "middle age" and full of stars, you get:
(3.33 x 10^10 galaxies) times (1.00 x 10^10 stars) times (1/4) = conservatively and roughly 8.325 x 10^19 stars with solar systems in our universe.

That's 83 billion billion (83 with eighteen zeros after it) other stars with solar systems in the universe. To me, it's a statistical inevitability that we are not the only intelligent life in the universe. Alien life is not something you "believe in", it's pretty much something that exists, but we have yet to discover.

Hell no. Even if someone found out about it and told people, they wouldn't be taken seriously. Oojay himself was abducted and there are a **** ton of skeptics here who don't believe him. You can't just go to the police or newspaper, they'd just laugh at you. Besides, think of of all of the conspiracy videos online, some of them have to be true, but you don't see the people who posted them becoming wealthy or benefiting from it in any way. I have no doubt that the government could keep it a secret, in fact they don't even have to because we hide it from ourselves.

Don't talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking - Times Online

They don't make a proper landing because they probably don't want to be friends, they want our resources.

Also, I'm trying really hard not to respond to the nonsense in this thread :banghead:

Even if there are 8.325 10^19 stars that doesn't mean that there has to be intelligent life elsewhere. What were the chances of human beings happening? Think about that, and you eliminate a vast majority of those stars as possible places for life.

I agree that life probably exists elsewhere in the universe... but intelligent life I'm no so convinced. I think there's a good chance, but not that it's a sure thing.

Granted - life can probably develop a whole bunch of ways that we can't even comprehend. Maybe life developed somewhere in a way we just couldn't have guessed.

:laughing:

Just keep a hose near you, aliens apparently hate water according to Signs.


God I hate Mel Gibson and that movie. Maybe he's one of the aliens.

According to some people they will attack and destroy us soon but various difference types are a bit busy studying us to find out all of our weaknesses and to planning their attack. We might as well get a jump on them before we end up in defense mode because people are too passive/hippy to go out and defend our planet with an aggressive first strike against them. They should declare war on them. The only research we are probably doing is from the few dead bodies that we have that have crash landed here and also piloting various aircrafts.

Not, only do they want our resources they want our bodies as well. They don't want to attack us because they are too busy studying us.

Apparently Tom Cruise is building some big-ass alien proof bunker under his house in Colorado in preparation for an impending alien rapture, which Scientologists believe will happen on December 21st, 2012. :laughing:

That reminds me of the Heat-Rays that the Martians used in the book War of the Worlds, also in the movie (which ironically stars Tom Cruise). I think those Martians were devouring humans with the heat-rays and using them as fuel or something. Can't remember.

How is that? Do you know what the chances of human beings "happening" were?

Why? What makes Earth so special? The universe is so incomprehensibly vast that it's quite silly and self-important to think that humans are somehow special.

Yup. This is pretty much how I feel on the subject. Do I think it's possible they visited us at one time or another? Perhaps, but nothing further than that.

Exactly! How could it be that we are the ONLY intelligent life in a practically limitless space? :laughing: I'm having a hard time thinking that there WOULDN'T be.

I doubt it. From what we know about the way our universe works, it's currently impossible to travel faster than the speed of light. So even if an advanced alien race from another galaxy developed a method of traveling at the speed of light (299,792,458 m/s), it would take them thousands of year to "visit" us. The nearest galaxies are the Sagittarius and Canis Major dwarfs, which are some 80,000 and 25,000 light years away respectively. So that's a 25,000-80,000 year journey.

Yeah, and to be honest, I think the notion that we're the only intelligent form of life in the universe is largely a religious one.

And?



Kidding. That's a good point! But what about faster than light? That's right. I said faster than light. Where's your science now? :pimp:

That's what I was thinking. There can't be other life out there! They're not accounted for! They must be heathens.

Haha wouldn't surprise me. I forget where I saw it but some guy dropped something like a quarter million on a missile base for 2012 with a 5 year food supply and was trying to get people to book rooms in it.

Lol, well, that's where wormholes come in. It was something Einstein proposed but only took half-seriously himself. Suppose we could "fold" the fabric of space in on itself and create a "shortcut"? It's something scientists seriously look into these days.



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I saw that in Wired. Crazy part is, people ARE booking.

Lots of water and I'll be sure to "swing away".

As for the comment on how big the universe is, I think there probably is at least something else out there (whether intelligent or not). Where I have an issue is how people think there's some race of super-beings that are going to harvest the earth for resources. I'm not sure if some of the people on this thread are just saying it for a reaction, but that's crazy-talk.

And if this was a movie, which some people seem to think life is I guess, I realize I'd be the first to get abducted.

That's kind of what I had in mind. I had first heard about them on a REALLY fascinating show about space (I couldn't even tell you the name), and that very smart Asian man was on it: Michio Kaku!

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I swear. He could explain the most complicated of theories using the most inane and simple demonstrations and examples. That's definitely the sign of an unbelievably intelligent man. "Any fool can make something complicated. It takes a genius to make it simple."

Depending on price and a no-refund policy, this man may be a genius.

Didn't you hear? The world is going to end in 2040 when the planets align. Where in the hell did you hear anything about the world ending in 2012?

Well it better be happening after May 21st, 2040. I want to turn 50 first ffs.

I agree. I remember him on a series called The Universe on the History Channel, and he does a fantastic job at explaining things.

The major alignment is in September 2040, although it happens pretty frequently. I'll be just shy of 50. Damn.

I watched that too. In fact I have been watching a shedload of documentaries recently regarding the universe and only the most narrow minded fool could suggest that we are the only active species in the universe.

In our present lifetime we have little chance of encountering anything else but even our own solar system has blown the scientific world apart over the last 20 years. The most active volcano is a moon orbiting Jupiter and although it doesn't support life (or what we class as life on a one to one basis), it shows how little we know about the universe and how pompous we are in thinking that we are the only intelligent life out there.

I am certainly not one of those wishing for us to be visited by another world as that would suggest that we are useless as they got to us first and we are not all that but the simple fact is that if u lay a piece of A4 paper down in front of you, the earth is not even a dot in any given corner. It is that inconsequential in the universe.

I think the real threat is

ATL-LIENS!!!!
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I was referring to recorded human history, NOT the age of the Earth. No one here is disputing the age of the planet, Carbon-14 dating really rules out the Scientology notion that the Earth is only a few thousand years old. I guess I should have differentiated better, sorry.

I was saying that the Roman and Greek Gods were basically identical (as far as their "powers" and purposes go), they just had different names in each civilization.

People thought that storms and weather and the fertility of their crops were all directly related to their "Gods" and how well they appeased them.

Freud's views on religion, space, aliens, etc. are deifinitely well researched and well thought out. He is most definitely entitled to his views, as are all of us. I wouldn't call a difference of opinion a dismissal of anything.

Couldn't agree more (except for the "haven't discovered yet" part). I believe that most religious icons/deities have actually been ET's, but were perceived as "Gods" since humans really had nothing better to equate them to (seeing as how we hadn't explored space in any great depths).

Exactly. The US government has been feeding the public disinformation for decates.

Majestic 12

Military Special Operations Manual For Extra Terrestrials

Yep. It's a matter of science, not opinion.

Einstein-Rosen Bridge

Of course they were basically identical; Roman gods were derived from Greek gods. This isn't a coincidence if that's what you're implying. Religion is not the only thing the Greeks influenced the Romans on.

I am still failing to see any connection to aliens from this. I've already mentioned that they formulated their gods based on nature and astrology.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying they observed these gods/aliens in some way? Because that couldn't be further from the truth. There was extensive literature debating whether or not the gods existed, or how one could be inclined to believe they existed. Many didn't even adhere to the pagan tradition, not to mention Christianity was a threat from the start of the Roman Empire, and became the state religion in the 4th century. There was a clash of philosophies, whether it be scientific, metaphysical, ethical or anything else you want to point to. Everything points to the fact that there never was any sort of intervention by some sort of ET, and that their pantheon was just a human concoction to deal with the unknown, like all religion is.

I guess I worded it oddly, my apology. While many of the Roman Gods were directly borrowed from the Greeks, the Greeks based their Gods more on personality traits that they saw in humans (love, hate, dignity, etc) while the Romans based their Gods more on objects and ideas (or vice-versa, sometimes I do get them mixed up). This is really not the main part of the conversation that I was meaning to hit upon, so I don't have much argument here. I guess I was trying to convey that many cultures had/have similar Gods and deities that could very well have been the same entity (or different incarnations of the same entity).

Agreed, but I was referring to the physical embodiment of their Gods. The Gods in Greek, Roman, and Norse mythology were physical beings, not just ideas. As are the Gods/Deities/Prophets of most religions. I personally believe that these beings were all (or mostly) ET's or somehow more advanced (physically, mentally, spiritually) than their followers.

Yes, I am (assuming we're using the same definition of "observed"). These Gods were literal, they were not just figments of imagination or ideas that were meant to keep society in check.

The existence of Gods has been in question for most of modern history. But in ancient times, it was the exact opposite. God's supposedly showed themselves to humans all the time. Most religious holy books are filled with encounters between humans and Gods. What I'm getting at is that these "Gods" were actually ET's.


The time periods that each of us are referring to are thousands of years apart, so comparing them is a waste of time. From the beginning of time, civilization has always believed in Gods. From ancient Sumeria to Egypyt to Greece to Rome to America, as time progresses, it seems that society has moved more towards an IDEA of Gods, rather than a physical embodiment of them.

I disagree. There are many anomolies on Earth that cannot be explained and point to an ET intervention. The pyramids for example (Egyptian, Aztec, Mesopotamia, Chile, Spain, China, Greece, Nigeria, Sudan, India). Many of them are constructed of stones that could not possibly have been moved, carved, or constructed by humans at their respective stages in history. Also, the Nazca Lines (which can only be seen from above), and the numerous mountaintops in Peru that were somehow leveled to make flat landing strips, with no remnants of the rubble left behind or the tools and machinery used to do so. The pyramids of Giza are in allignment with the 3 stars on Orion's belt, how could they have done that? Stonehenge has slits that let rays of light shine through only on the summer and winter solstices.

And besides the HOW, there's also the WHY? Why build a pyramid with specific dimensions and astrological assignments just to house a dead body?

Sorry to double post, but just for reference, here are links to the History Channel's "Ancient Aliens" and Discovery Channel's "The Universe."

Ancient Aliens — Evidence of Ancient Aliens? — History.com

Stephen Hawking : Discovery Channel

I swear to god if you move this ****ing thread again

I thought you were referring to the Greek and Roman pantheon. If you're talking about civilizations in the Fertile Crescent it's much of the same though. Do the anthropomorphic depictions of these deities not eradicate any chance of these gods being aliens, at least in the conventional sense of the word? And how can you explain demigods in the Mesopotamian and Sumerian religions then?

You do know the Egyptians had an absolutely fantastic understanding of astrology right? Babylon even more so, to the point where they used it to make political decisions. It was by far the most advanced "science" for both civilizations. So it should come as no surprise as to why they would construct a monument based on it. I can't remember all of the intricacies of the dimensions of the Great Pyramid, but there are many unique little facts like that. It was an architectural marvel, which is why it was named one of the Wonders of the Ancient World. And while it was/is very impressive, the alien theory is just something you toss in to a high school history lecture to keep kids interested. They don't know how exactly it was built but there are many perfectly legitimate theories.

I didn't even know it was moved once before, but I think it fits into this section.