aliens

**Janszoon** · 01-13-2013, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

Oojay made a good point when he said something like: we're supposed to believe that people who drilled holes in other humans heads because they thought it released their demons were capable of such incredible things?

Why not? There are plenty of people today who do dumb superstitious shit and yet we were still able to split the atom, send people to the Moon and invent the internet.

blastingas10 · 01-13-2013, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Why not? There are plenty of people today who do dumb superstitious shit and yet we were still able to split the atom, send people to the Moon and invent the internet.

Exactly.

P A N · 01-13-2013, 11:03 PM

i don't remember the last time i posted here, so, i'm sorry if at all i repeat myself.

two things keep me very open-minded when it comes to this debate.
1: space. there's so bloody much of it.
2: the exponential growth rate of information.

explained:
1: well, there's just a sh*t-tonne of space.
2: in a hundred years we went from the first cars and airplanes to having devices in our pockets capable of relaying all the information know to man to us. for thousands of years before that, relatively speaking, we really didn't know much.

to me, #2 is the kicker. and no, i'm not calling this evidence. imagine being part of humanity 100 years from now. the technological advancements have probably only been imagined by, like, 9 people, if that. so, if an intelligent alien race were 50,000 years ahead of us, it would just be nuts. now, you're probably thinking i'm talking about wormhole technology and stuff like that. call that a given. i'm talking about us. i'm talking about our ingenuity and our curiosity. we do really weird sh*t... like growing human ears on the sides of rats and mixing goat and spider dna... chasing the higgs boson. we push the envelope... ALWAYS. and we won't ever stop unless we die out. so, what the comparison i draw in my head is based on is the notion that 10,000... 50,000... maybe 100,000 years from now (maybe way sooner than all those figures) we will start doing what they were doing in hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. we will build planets. we will build life. and my comparison says to me personally that it's entirely possible that we are one such project.

not saying i believe it.

blastingas10 · 01-13-2013, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by zevokes

i don't remember the last time i posted here, so, i'm sorry if at all i repeat myself.

two things keep me very open-minded when it comes to this debate.
1: space. there's so bloody much of it.
2: the exponential growth rate of information.

explained:
1: well, there's just a sh*t-tonne of space.
2: in a hundred years we went from the first cars and airplanes to having devices in our pockets capable of relaying all the information know to man to us. for thousands of years before that, relatively speaking, we really didn't know much.

to me, #2 is the kicker. and no, i'm not calling this evidence. imagine being part of humanity 100 years from now. the technological advancements have probably only been imagined by, like, 9 people, if that. so, if an intelligent alien race were 50,000 years ahead of us, it would just be nuts. now, you're probably thinking i'm talking about wormhole technology and stuff like that. call that a given. i'm talking about us. i'm talking about our ingenuity and our curiosity. we do really weird sh*t... like growing human ears on the sides of rats and mixing goat and spider dna... chasing the higgs boson. we push the envelope... ALWAYS. and we won't ever stop unless we die out. so, what the comparison i draw in my head is based on is the notion that 10,000... 50,000... maybe 100,000 years from now (maybe way sooner than all those figures) we will start doing what they were doing in hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. we will build planets. we will build life. and my comparison says to me personally that it's entirely possible that we are one such project.

not saying i believe it.

I agree.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 01-14-2013, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Wait, your belief in intelligent, extra-terrestrial life is based on "alien sightings" and the assumption that the U.S. government is covering up some big secret?

Please explain this.

Sorry I'm in hospital which is why I haven't replied. I have read a lot of information about the study of planets in other galaxies that most likely have atmospheric conditions similar to earth, there has also been evidence taken from actual witnessed landings of extra terrestrial compounds, there are respected doctors, policemen, pilots, politicians, airforce people and so on who have testified sightings and encounters, the Brazilian government gave ufologists access to highly classifieddocuments and reports of the 1977 UFO sightings and alleged burning and other symptoms to citizens and a priest. I could also mention that there is a ridiculously unified reporting of alleged encounters, sightings and abductions. I'm not saying that this has happened but I can have my mind opened to the possibility the extra terrestrial life exists. I would like the united states government to release their files publically like other countries have. If there's nothing to hide, why would they not release them

Neapolitan · 01-14-2013, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by anticipation

I just don't understand how people can be so close-minded and egotistical. I don't think I ever will.

So scientist and skeptics of the paranormal are close-minded and egotistical because before coming to a conclusion they need or look for evidence. How did civilization progress this far with that close-minded mentality?

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Originally Posted by Burning Down

Even bacteria is intelligent to a degree and I'm almost certain that bacteria can survive on another planet besides Earth. Most likely Mars.

Well why didn't you quote this?

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Is there simple life eslewhere in the universe?
It could be possible, much more probable than eti's. There are polyextremophiles that exist on Earth that can give us clues to what type these simple extraterrestrial life forms might be like if they exist.

**Janszoon** · 01-14-2013, 06:59 AM

People in this thread keep conflating the notion that "aliens exist" with the notion that "aliens have visited Earth". Not the same thing. The universe may very well have other intelligent life in it, but it doesn't automatically follow that any of it has come here.

anticipation · 01-14-2013, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

So scientist and skeptics of the paranormal are close-minded and egotistical because before coming to a conclusion they need or look for evidence. How did civilization progress this far with that close-minded mentality?

I fail to see the connection between progress and looking at the universe as a vast wasteland full of nothing but rudimentary bacteria and one planet full of "evolved" life. Add on to that the idea that we expect species from another planet to communicate with us, yet we can't even communicate with a fraction of the species on Earth? Especially when you consider that our notion of "intelligence" is extremely quaint and limited to our ability to survive on our own planet, and that the evidence for life, be it "intelligent" enough for your standards, outside of Earth overwhelms that of any "skeptic" or credible scientist.

Paedantic Basterd · 01-14-2013, 10:03 AM

I just want to say that if they're out there, we shouldn't know, because we'd come ****ing unglued as a species and get ourselves in trouble over it.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 01-15-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

I just want to say that if they're out there, we shouldn't know, because we'd come ****ing unglued as a species and get ourselves in trouble over it.

Very true. People would shit themselves, I know I would.

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01-13-2013, 11:03 PM	#183 (permalink)
P A N DO LIKE YOU. Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 629	i don't remember the last time i posted here, so, i'm sorry if at all i repeat myself. two things keep me very open-minded when it comes to this debate. 1: space. there's so bloody much of it. 2: the exponential growth rate of information. explained: 1: well, there's just a sht-tonne of space. 2: in a hundred years we went from the first cars and airplanes to having devices in our pockets capable of relaying all the information know to man to us. for thousands of years before that, relatively speaking, we really didn't know much. to me, #2 is the kicker. and no, i'm not calling this evidence.* imagine being part of humanity 100 years from now. the technological advancements have probably only been imagined by, like, 9 people, if that. so, if an intelligent alien race were 50,000 years ahead of us, it would just be nuts. now, you're probably thinking i'm talking about wormhole technology and stuff like that. call that a given. i'm talking about us. i'm talking about our ingenuity and our curiosity. we do really weird sh*t... like growing human ears on the sides of rats and mixing goat and spider dna... chasing the higgs boson. we push the envelope... ALWAYS. and we won't ever stop unless we die out. so, what the comparison i draw in my head is based on is the notion that 10,000... 50,000... maybe 100,000 years from now (maybe way sooner than all those figures) we will start doing what they were doing in hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. we will build planets. we will build life. and my comparison says to me personally that it's entirely possible that we are one such project. not saying i believe it.

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Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	I just want to say that if they're out there, we shouldn't know, because we'd come ****ing unglued as a species and get ourselves in trouble over it.