aliens

blastingas10 · 01-13-2013, 12:48 AM

I guess some people just choose to believe that everyone who can't provide concrete evidence for a claim they're making is just full of ****.

anticipation · 01-13-2013, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~dkipping/numberofhabs.html

The Greater Universe

In the last two sections we estimated that there are ~50 million habitable exoplanets and ~25 million habitable exomoons in the Milky Way alone. Let us therefore choose ~100 million habitable environments per galaxy as our order of magnitude estimate i.e. our galaxy is not special. What does this mean for the whole Universe?

The numbers are staggering.

With 100 billion galaxies estimated to exist [15], perhaps many more, we are looking at the total of number of habitable environments exceeding:

10 000 000 000 000 000 000 worlds
= 10 million trillion

10 million trillion, take a moment and just say to that yourself. It is colossal.

We have barely scratched the surface of exploring our own galaxy, let alone others.

Freebase Dali · 01-13-2013, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

I guess some people just choose to believe that everyone who can't provide concrete evidence for a claim they're making is just full of ****.

I think the idea is more about not jumping to conclusions based on anecdotal evidence without considering all the factors that might be playing a part.

Personally, I don't think most people are intentionally bs'ing about stuff like this. I do, however, think many of them are easily confused and will latch on to an explanation and make a conclusion without exploring all the avenues.
I'm not skeptical because I think people are inherently liars. I'm skeptical because I think people are inherently prone to mistake and misconception.

However, concrete evidence is really the only way to sort out whether that's the case or not. So, it's anyone's game. But if you want to place bets on something, you're probably better off not placing them on the average person's ability to represent a fact based on their own experiences and knowledge.

mr dave · 01-13-2013, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by anticipation

We have barely scratched the surface of exploring our own galaxy, let alone others.

Hell, we've barely explored the oceans on the surface of our own planet.

**Janszoon** · 01-13-2013, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

I agree. The odds alone would point at there being life on other planets.
However, those same odds would not point at their being intelligent life on other planets that also had the ability to travel all the way here, and that all the UFO sightings and crazy abduction stories are factually correct.

That's all I'm saying.

This, exactly.

Burning Down · 01-13-2013, 08:36 AM

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There are literally trillions of observable galaxies in the universe, and a great deal more that are unobservable. It really doesn't matter if people don't "believe" that life exists on other planets because it most obviously does. Life is really not that unique.

I like to imagine that in one of these other universes, there is a planet that looks kind of like Earth and contains doppelgangers of every single person on THIS Earth. But that they are a way more advanced society... like with teleportation and time travel and crap like that.

blastingas10 · 01-13-2013, 11:12 AM

If none of these stories are true, why make up something like anal probing? Just seems very strange to me. And if they are true, why are they anal probing us? What does that accomplish?

seekn4 · 01-13-2013, 11:41 AM

It seems there are a lot of people who think that unless they have seen something, it cant exist. And at the same time claim to be intellectual. That is like saying that if the wind isn't blowing and you can't feel it or see it, that must mean there is no air, right? That is the same line of thinking Isn't it? Not very intellectual if you ask me.

**Janszoon** · 01-13-2013, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by seekn4

It seems there are a lot of people who think that unless they have seen something, it cant exist. And at the same time claim to be intellectual. That is like saying that if the wind isn't blowing and you can't feel it or see it, that must mean there is no air, right? That is the same line of thinking Isn't it? Not very intellectual if you ask me.

Nice strawman.

Face · 01-13-2013, 01:04 PM

Strawmen can get blown over by wind.

01-13-2013, 12:48 AM	#161 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	I guess some people just choose to believe that everyone who can't provide concrete evidence for a claim they're making is just full of ****.

01-13-2013, 11:12 AM	#167 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	If none of these stories are true, why make up something like anal probing? Just seems very strange to me. And if they are true, why are they anal probing us? What does that accomplish?

01-13-2013, 11:41 AM	#168 (permalink)
seekn4 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: illinois Posts: 142	It seems there are a lot of people who think that unless they have seen something, it cant exist. And at the same time claim to be intellectual. That is like saying that if the wind isn't blowing and you can't feel it or see it, that must mean there is no air, right? That is the same line of thinking Isn't it? Not very intellectual if you ask me.

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Face Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: UK Posts: 306	Strawmen can get blown over by wind.