America's most hated family?

CanwllCorfe · 04-04-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Boozinbloozin

I never saw it getting out of hand. Some very strong opinions but not like there was blatent name calling or anything like that. Ive seen more intense arguments than this on Mb. Any time theres a difference of opinion on something I think people are to quick to think its out of hand.

I hope you know I was joking!

Bloozcrooz · 04-04-2011, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe

I hope you know I was joking!

It crossed my mind that it was just heavy sarcasm..but you never know on here. Some people are very uptight.

**Janszoon** · 04-04-2011, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Abearmauledme

Im thinking that organizing a trip to kansas (or wherever they live/pray) and ****ing **** up would be pretty fun. Broken windows and spray paint, that sort of thing.

I'm sure they'd never expect such a thing.

CanwllCorfe · 04-04-2011, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Boozinbloozin

It crossed my mind that it was just heavy sarcasm..but you never know on here. Some people are very uptight.

Yeah I'm the opposite of serious. I'm only serious if I absolutely have to be.

~~Dirty~~ · 04-04-2011, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

There are no legitimate reasons to hate. It's believing that hate can have legitimacy that keeps hate alive. Nobody starts the hate, and the hate keeps flowing because everyone thinks, "If I stop it they'll just do it anyway!" Well, even if they do, so it goes. The only wise choice possible is to let the hate stop with you. Then at least you're not feeding the fire. You don't have to just stand by and let the fire burn, but you do need to realize you're only adding gasoline.

The world would not be a better place if someone came along and murdered these people. I'm sure that's exactly the logic that led to the 9-11 attacks. But it's so hard to see things from the other side.

Hate is hate is hate. Someone comes to you with hate and you respond in kind, feeling that it's justified. The only reason that person came to you with hate is because someone came to them with hate, and they responded in kind. And the only reason that person came with hate... you get the picture. It begins, the person came with a lot of hate and you responded with a bit of hate. They came with evil sadism and you got angry. But hate builds on itself. It's a negative feedback loop.

The first step is to realize that this is what's going on. Recognize that it's not the outside that's causing the hate, you're letting the hate arise in yourself. The second step is to not act on the hate, to watch it, recognize it for what it is, and let it pass. The third step is to find something else. To go look for the river to get water to put out the fire. The water isn't more killing, more yelling, more arguing. The water is understanding and wisdom. The water is peace and compassion.

The fire is burning and we all feel that we need to respond immediately. We need to do something about the fire. It takes a lot to accept that our response isn't helping. It takes even more to accept that our response is only fueling the fire. When we stop responding, it feels like we're just sitting idly by and letting it burn. But we have to stop responding before we can go look for water.

Then we're looking for water, and it seems so hard to find. The fire is still burning. "Look faster, you stupid idiot!" But we have to be calm to find the water. We can't keep running back to the fire and back to the water. We have to be single-minded in our determination to find the water. So that means, in some sense, letting go of the fire. Realizing that there's nothing we can do about the fire until we find the water.

It's hard to just recognize hate as hate, fire as fire. We always want to find a scapegoat. It's not just hate, it's their hate. And this hate I feel, it's not my hate it's also their hate. If they were gone, all the hate would be gone. But it's not. It's only gotten stronger. Hard to just watch the hate, accepting: right now, there's nothing I can do. Hard to see the possibility of redemption in every person. Hard to see the virtues of those consumed by hate. Hard to see because all their virtues have become the vehicles of hate. Hard to see where this hate has come from, or how to help it lose its grip. Often we try, and the hate only seems to intensify. Sometimes our good intentions are misguided. Sometimes what's needed is for the fire to just burn itself out.

We live in a mysterious world. It's easy to respond to joy with joy and hate with hate, hard to find a peace which will give us the wisdom we need to see through hate, see through ignorance, and do our part in untangling these webs. But that's what we're here to do. Past all the bullshit, that is our mission and our purpose. Whether or not anyone agrees with this, the seed is there. The wisdom is in many places, wherever you feel comfortable looking for it, living with it, helping it grow. Nothing else really matters.

While reading this I imagined you typing this somehow while peacefully meditating or something. We'll have to disagree on hate. I have no problem with hating someone or something, I think anger and hate are just emotions that are evoked in people and it's human nature to feel these emotions when certain buttons are pushed. Nothing we say on a music forum is going to change what they do and I don't see it as taking the higher road or whatever by "seeing through their ignorance and hate." I'm not trying to "fight" their hate with more hate, I'm just saying I absolutely hate them. They are the purest examples of asswipes and for me, my hate feels legitimate. The WBC members bring absolutely nothing to this Earth aside from hatred and infliction of pain. They give this world absolutely nothing positive and I feel the world as a whole would be better off without them. Their deaths would bring me joy. And there's no scapegoat or excuses for my hate, it is MY hate and I fucking hate these douchers as if you couldn't already tell my my pages of ranting and raving. Sure, hating them might not solve anything, but are we really looking for a solution here? How is forcing myself to try and feel peace and use my wisdom solving anything either?

cardboard adolescent · 04-04-2011, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

While reading this I imagined you typing this somehow while peacefully meditating or something. We'll have to disagree on hate. I have no problem with hating someone or something, I think anger and hate are just emotions that are evoked in people and it's human nature to feel these emotions when certain buttons are pushed. Nothing we say on a music forum is going to change what they do and I don't see it as taking the higher road or whatever by "seeing through their ignorance and hate." I'm not trying to "fight" their hate with more hate, I'm just saying I absolutely hate them. They are the purest examples of asswipes and for me, my hate feels legitimate. The WBC members bring absolutely nothing to this Earth aside from hatred and infliction of pain. They give this world absolutely nothing positive and I feel the world as a whole would be better off without them. Their deaths would bring me joy. And there's no scapegoat or excuses for my hate, it is MY hate and I fucking hate these douchers as if you couldn't already tell my my pages of ranting and raving. Sure, hating them might not solve anything, but are we really looking for a solution here? How is forcing myself to try and feel peace and use my wisdom solving anything either?

Well, you can't force yourself to feel peace. But by making peace your goal, you start to change yourself and how you see the world. When you do that, you start to influence others around you. This in turn gives you a stronger support base to become more peaceful. And so you set yourself on a positive feedback loop, and draw others into it as well. The scope of the effect of this is really irrelevant. Any effect, however limited, will be positive. That's really what matters.

Everything that exists brings something positive to this world. Everything, at some level, however obscure, has something to contribute. Sometimes it's really hard to see. But, if not for them, we wouldn't be having this conversation, right?

"What is the good man but the bad man's teacher? What is the bad man but the good man's work?"

Mojo · 04-05-2011, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

Thanks for your contribution Plum, I'll be sure to read up on the First Amendment, I have never even heard of such a wild thing. Thank god for Wikipedia!

But you did ask. You asked why your country allows these people to do what they do, and that IS why. The precious first amendment and the freedom of speech is exactly why these people are allowed to do what they do. They have their beliefs, they are entitled to practice them, and they are allowed to protest and demonstrate the way they do. Freedom of speech doesn't entitle people to speak their mind, aslong as they aren't pissing anyone off. It simply entitles people to speak their mind.

Personally I think that what they do is appaling, and they infuriate me, much as they do you. If I was burying a family member of a close friend and had to deal with these idiots then I would be tempted to go and have a go too, no doubt, but doing this would bring you down closer to their level in many ways.

It's their ideals, their beliefs and their organisation that you should want to kill, but not a group of people including families and small children. Who's to say you wouldn't believe their bullshit if you had been born into these morons and taught from childhood that THIS was right, and everything else was wrong.

crash_override · 04-05-2011, 06:47 AM

I'm with Dirty on this one. These people deserve to die.

I am however, very anti-censorship. I am glad the Supreme Court upheld the 1st ammendment and our free speech rights. But these people deserve to be burnt to death in painfully timed incriments. As in, one limb, one degree at a time. But I'm not willing to give up my 1st ammendment rights just to shut them up.

But yes, I also would mow these people down in a suicidal rage if I was ever met with that situation.

Mojo · 04-05-2011, 07:00 AM

They kill your kids, so you kill their kids right?

Yeah, that's intelligent.

crash_override · 04-05-2011, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk

They kill your kids, so you kill their kids right?

Yeah, that's intelligent.

No, they piss on my fellow fallen service members graves and anger me to no end, so kill them all actually. Call it whatever you want, with your snide remarks.

Save your sarcasm for topics you actually know a damned thing about please.

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