7 U.N Workers Killed by Afghans in response to Koran Burning.

crukster · 04-04-2011, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by crukster

That's true that they just want a reaction man, but who cares - what sort of a World would we be living in where people didn't react to atrocities?

That's what it is in my view, it's bad. If you burn a person's Holy Book, you're burning every person who follows it. How can you then talk about freedom of belief and World community etc., you can't, you haven't got any grounds. How can you talk about equality, and rights and all that other bull****? You can't. So how can you then say, "it's my right to freedom of expression to burn this book"?

Well, you can't. Why should we uphold someones right to attack someone else's rights/ beliefs? Why is it their right to burn it, but it's not a Muslim's right to defend it?[/QUOTE]

Pretty sure every Holy Book has a variation of
"Thou Shalt Not Kill"

How can you equate burning a book to destroying the lives of a human beings? Where are YOUR grounds for this reasoning?

I'm not neccessarily saying that it was right of them to take lives cos of it, but there definitely has to be some sort of a reaction against it.

Thou shalt not Kill, you can consider that a basic guideline; baseline - if no-one wanted to Kill, there'd be no reason to.

But if someone puts a knife at your throat, well Thou Shalt not Kill won't do you much good then - it's you or them. If someone comes into my house and threatens my family, rule of defense, I'll kill em. Burning the Qu'ran is a metaphorical knife to the throat of Muslims everywhere - arguably of Humans everywhere if you respect the right to freedom of Religion. There are ideas that are more important than one life, because they form the foundation of ALL lives. How long till they take to burning Muslims houses? Burning Muslims? Burning children? Because we're not up to their "standard" of living.

But I don't condone what they did, there was no LITERAL actual knife to anyone's throat, it was simply a challenge and furthermore a defilement of Islam. They shouldn't have killed them for burning it, but I understand why they did. There's a better way. They should have started a reading OF the Qu'ran directly adjacent to the burning, imo that would have been the best thing to do. That would have answered the challenge and undone the defilin. Killing them makes them as bad as the one's burning it. They should have led by example, not by counter.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

You seriously don't see a difference between attacking beliefs actually killing human beings? Elsewhere on this forum you have attacked the beliefs of the non-religious, does that mean they have a right to kill you?

I wouldn't begrudge them for trying, I don't live my life in fear of anyone man.

If you thought I was attacking, then you misunderstood me. Firstly, I was not attacking, if I wanted to attack what would be the point in using words and discussing, I would have just outright insulted you and said I think you're a ****ing idiot and atheism is bull****, and stop typing there. If I wanna write that I'd write that, but I didn't do that because thats not what I wanna say, I was trying to make a platform for discussion. Secondly, if the non-religious are actually non-religious, how is there even anything for me to disrespect, I dont understand. I apologise if I'm wrong man but you seem like a textbook "atheist". When it suits you it's a belief, but when the weight is on, it's nothing, just a loosely affiliated group of non-believers. It's a smoke screen.

But I wasn't talking about killing anyway, I was talking about defending.

I also think it says something, the way you interpreted that. The point I was making was that they have no right to burn it in the first place.