Farfisa

I don't consider myself liberal or conservative, maybe I should just stop commenting on political happenings. Forget what I said, I won't give anymore ignorant commentary again.

djchameleon

If you want to get factual about it. It WAS his healthcare platform/plan that he was pushing and campaigning about during his run for president. It might not have been submitted by him personally to Congress but they were passed off of his platform.




I also know about the second tid bit of information as well. During that time when he did have the democratic majority to help push the bill forward those select few that you mentioned were the ones that were holding things up as well instead of letting it go through.

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hip hop bunny hop

How can it be his plan if he wasn't involved in writing the bill? Yeah, his campaign platform included "healthcare reform". That congress then passes a healthcare reform bill, and he signs it into law... doesn't make it his bill.

...and I do believe you just confirmed what I said about the Blue Dogs. Or were you trying to express disagreement?

TockTockTock

So... you're saying Obama didn't have any influence in the making of the bill? Do you have any proof? After all, the executive branch has always played a significant role in the writing of legislation.

djchameleon

No, we are on the same page with the Blue Dogs part. I'm not saying that I disagree.

I feel like it makes it his bill because he was doing the campaigning for it and it was based off of his idea.

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Freebase Dali

It doesn't matter whether Obama wrote the bill himself or not. It's "his" because he (and most of his party) represents it, and in the minds of voters, that's all that matters. People voting for his re-election aren't going to take points off because he didn't make it all up himself. It matters [to them] more that he supports the ideology behind it.

Astronomer

To be honest being a non-American I don't really know/ care.

Scarlett O'Hara

Anyone but Donald Trump, please I beg of you Lord.

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djchameleon

I'm going to have to throw my vote behind President Elect Trump




With some stellar issues as this one who wouldn't! vote for him?!

plus I have a soft spot for his hot daughter

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hip hop bunny hop

Let's be clear: what is more important than the public's perception of the bills origins is the actual origins of the bill. Most of the public shouldn't be allowed to vote, but that's another subject.

Obama not only didn't "make it all up himself", he didn't help write it - at all. All he did was lay out was his goals for healthcare reform, and these goals were incredibly vague. Asking for legislation that would create universal coverage is completely different from crafting it oneself.

To say Obama's approach was the same as, or even similar to, that adopted by the Clintons when they tried to reform healthcare misses the point. Obama deferred to Congress so as to distance himself from the legislation and make passing it more politically viable; that is a far, far cry from the level involvement & passion demonstrated by the Clintons.