Regarding the future of religion

stef uk · 04-13-2011, 07:39 PM

Religion is doomed, paedophile priests are just one example of how man makes a mockery of religion by useing their power to ruin kids lives. How can we trust god when we cant trust his servants. That religion is a tool only for control and fear, much like modern governments or old. religion has brought us such enlightened times as the crusades, inquisition to name just two. Do i believe in god?, yes i do. But, not some rewritten book. My family and friends believe i'm a good man, and i believe in them. thats my and their power and strength. Is'nt that what god preaches?.

Mr November · 04-13-2011, 08:13 PM

Good job whoever's posting Christopher Hitchens. He's brilliant when it comes to debating religion and God.

As cardboard adolescent basically said in a previous post, there is no such thing as objective purpose. Even if God does exist that doesn't mean everything God does is good, or that I should want to be part of God's plan. We make our own purpose, our own fate, our own choices. If you need a fictional invisible entity to make you feel like you have a purpose, than your life probably really is an empty void of meaninglessness.

Neapolitan · 04-15-2011, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian E Coleman

Good job whoever's posting Christopher Hitchens. He's brilliant when it comes to debating religion and God.

As cardboard adolescent basically said in a previous post, there is no such thing as objective purpose. Even if God does exist that doesn't mean everything God does is good, or that I should want to be part of God's plan. We make our own purpose, our own fate, our own choices. If you need a fictional invisible entity to make you feel like you have a purpose, than your life probably really is an empty void of meaninglessness.

How do you know for sure it's empty void of meaninglessness and not an empty void of meaningnessless? Whether you choose the former over the latter or the latter over the former in essence by your estimation it's only a subjective preference. And if it's all subjective anyway, then really than one can conclude it can also be possible that a person's life can be filled with meaningfulness as well, either with a God or a even "fictional invisible entity" - which ever one prefers.

levio_sah · 04-16-2011, 07:14 PM

All that god **** is getting old. I'm a pagan, so for me, religion is just like nature communing + Mysteriousness X 10. It's fun.

Mr November · 04-17-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

How do you know for sure it's empty void of meaninglessness and not an empty void of meaningnessless? Whether you choose the former over the latter or the latter over the former in essence by your estimation it's only a subjective preference. And if it's all subjective anyway, then really than one can conclude it can also be possible that a person's life can be filled with meaningfulness as well, either with a God or a even "fictional invisible entity" - which ever one prefers.

Not hating on your post, but it didn't make any sense to me...
As in I didn't understand what you were trying to say.

"How do you know for sure it's empty void of meaninglessness and not an empty void of meaningnessless?"

I can't decipher this one... I assume it's a misprint? because of the first line the rest I can't figure out anyway.

I don't mean to be hostile, I'm just interested in whatever you were actually trying to say.

SIRIUSB · 08-03-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by levio_sah

All that god **** is getting old. I'm a pagan, so for me, religion is just like nature communing + Mysteriousness X 10. It's fun.

Greetings levio_sah,

I am an Adeptus in the Ordo Luciferi and an ex-member of the Temple of Set, my beliefs are aligned with how Dr. Carl Jung explained that gods, devils, demons, angels, djinn, gregori etc. are ancient archetypal images embedded deep within our unconsciousness, they are brought to the conscious surface by way of symbolism and ritual.

I understand what most people refer to God as to be the natural ordering of the objective universe, as opposed to the subjective universe which is our imagination, thoughts, etc.

- SB

tehpathogen · 08-16-2011, 05:38 PM

I realize you all believe that religion is doomed, IMO it will be a cold day in figurative He77 when the Democratic Capitalist's will allow religions to fade away. Society needs fear to keep going at the rate its going. Religion is the root of obidiant social form. And when the numbers start dropping, BOOM a catastrophy occurs and new believers are born.

Now I had a thought the other day, true believers seem so neive to people like you and I who believe in Evolution. But the funny thing is ,were still looking for more answers and are still unhappy with not knowing all the answers. we are lost souls drifting. Alot of us still live a life of complete chaos, and don't know how to get out of the ruts we seem to be in.

Now look at the life of a true believer. do they not seem content with there life and seem to have there figurative sh1t together? Now I am not saying that there belief is correct or that I believe this. This is intriguing to me.

So getting back to the point that religion will eventually die out, I can't see it, In the days we live now with so much anger and destruction happening, humans need that structor. now the building may fall but the belief will still be there.

It may sound like im promoting religion, but trust me I don't believe in any organized religion. but to understand the hypocrisy you must first understand why religion was created. Humans are scared of the unknown.

jackhammer · 08-16-2011, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian E Coleman

Good job whoever's posting Christopher Hitchens. He's brilliant when it comes to debating religion and God.

Richard Dawkins hasn't been mentioned here which is surprising.

Just a small sample of his work: The God Delusion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Howard the Duck · 08-16-2011, 10:01 PM

Dawkins just attacks the more obviously obnoxious believers and beliefs.

Let's see him target more rational Deists.

Buzzov*en · 08-16-2011, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

Dawkins just attacks the more obviously obnoxious believers and beliefs.

Let's see him target more rational Deists.

Find a rational deist first :P

04-13-2011, 07:39 PM	#181 (permalink)
stef uk Groupie Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: merseyside Posts: 5	Religion is doomed, paedophile priests are just one example of how man makes a mockery of religion by useing their power to ruin kids lives. How can we trust god when we cant trust his servants. That religion is a tool only for control and fear, much like modern governments or old. religion has brought us such enlightened times as the crusades, inquisition to name just two. Do i believe in god?, yes i do. But, not some rewritten book. My family and friends believe i'm a good man, and i believe in them. thats my and their power and strength. Is'nt that what god preaches?.

04-13-2011, 08:13 PM	#182 (permalink)
Mr November Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Halifax, Canada Posts: 429	Good job whoever's posting Christopher Hitchens. He's brilliant when it comes to debating religion and God. As cardboard adolescent basically said in a previous post, there is no such thing as objective purpose. Even if God does exist that doesn't mean everything God does is good, or that I should want to be part of God's plan. We make our own purpose, our own fate, our own choices. If you need a fictional invisible entity to make you feel like you have a purpose, than your life probably really is an empty void of meaninglessness.

04-16-2011, 07:14 PM	#184 (permalink)
levio_sah Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: A vintage pad on the west side. Think Febreze, candelabras. Posts: 38	All that god **** is getting old. I'm a pagan, so for me, religion is just like nature communing + Mysteriousness X 10. It's fun.

08-16-2011, 05:38 PM	#187 (permalink)
tehpathogen Groupie Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Minto, New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 29	I realize you all believe that religion is doomed, IMO it will be a cold day in figurative He77 when the Democratic Capitalist's will allow religions to fade away. Society needs fear to keep going at the rate its going. Religion is the root of obidiant social form. And when the numbers start dropping, BOOM a catastrophy occurs and new believers are born. Now I had a thought the other day, true believers seem so neive to people like you and I who believe in Evolution. But the funny thing is ,were still looking for more answers and are still unhappy with not knowing all the answers. we are lost souls drifting. Alot of us still live a life of complete chaos, and don't know how to get out of the ruts we seem to be in. Now look at the life of a true believer. do they not seem content with there life and seem to have there figurative sh1t together? Now I am not saying that there belief is correct or that I believe this. This is intriguing to me. So getting back to the point that religion will eventually die out, I can't see it, In the days we live now with so much anger and destruction happening, humans need that structor. now the building may fall but the belief will still be there. It may sound like im promoting religion, but trust me I don't believe in any organized religion. but to understand the hypocrisy you must first understand why religion was created. Humans are scared of the unknown.