Religious people: what is your level of observance?

blastingas10 · 12-20-2011, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Phantom Limb

He clearly said that he meant all religions, not just christianity.

While the lessons that most religions teach are beneficial, believing that there is a higher power is foolish. Having a "lack of evidence" for the non-existence of god/gods is not anything like having a lack of evidence for the existence of god.

Here we go again.

Nice clip by the way, Thebig3. Silly humans, always thinking they've got the answer.

**Goofle** · 12-20-2011, 06:39 PM

This is on of my favourite Religious satires.

TheBig3 · 12-20-2011, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Phantom Limb

He clearly said that he meant all religions, not just christianity.

While the lessons that most religions teach are beneficial, believing that there is a higher power is foolish. Having a "lack of evidence" for the non-existence of god/gods is not anything like having a lack of evidence for the existence of god.

I don't know if you're speaking to me or Blast, but let me explain why your wrong. And why i think your arrogant in your closed-mindedness.

We have this thing called science. Science has rules. For the most part, to prove something you need a constant and a variable. You need a controlled experiment. You cannot do this with god for one of the following reasons:

1. You don't beleive in God, you don't believe God exists anywhere, therefore you can't run an experiement with God in it.

2. You do believe in God, you believe God is everywhere, therefore you can't run and experient without God in it.

This starts the argument. Seeing as you can disprove God just as easily as you can prove him, you need to move from there. And since I'm talking about a constant - What I don't know - and you're assuming quite a bit - talking about things you can't know - if anyone is being reasonable here its those of us who are willing to concede that we don't know everything.

Now as for Limb and Clancy, I don't know if they have died, come back and can tell us there is nothing out there, I hope they enlighten us on their experiences. But I myself have not died, I've never seen the absense of beings beyond here and I don't know what could be out there.

Could it be nothing? Certainly. But I don't know that. I'm being told by other posters that my position is absurd. I'd love to hear more from them.

**Goofle** · 12-20-2011, 07:09 PM

So why air on the side of crazy?

Bane of your existence · 12-20-2011, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantom Limb

He clearly said that he meant all religions, not just christianity.

While the lessons that most religions teach are beneficial, believing that there is a higher power is foolish. Having a "lack of evidence" for the non-existence of god/gods is not anything like having a lack of evidence for the existence of god.

There are highly touted theories that we can physically be in multiple places at the same time. We have no idea when our universe began or how big it is, or what's outside of it. We literally don't know anything about our physical world. But you're going to just go out on a limb here and claim that it's foolish to think that a God is possible. The only foolish thing is to claim that you know that anything does or does not exist.

Bane of your existence · 12-20-2011, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TomClancy11

So why air on the side of crazy?

*err, and everything about the universe is crazy.

**Goofle** · 12-20-2011, 07:15 PM

It's foolish to expect somebody to assume based on nothing.

I am here, right now. Not in two places.

blastingas10 · 12-20-2011, 07:18 PM

I find to be quite illogical that you could instantly dismiss the idea of divinity and think that this awe-inspiring universe could just be a pointless result of chance. I don't see how something so insanely intricate and marvelous could just be an act of chance.

**Goofle** · 12-20-2011, 07:24 PM

I don't dismiss it at all. I hope there is a God. Would be great. But I will not allow myself to believe in something that is basically an idea. I wished Santa was real, but as soon as I was able to think beyond "How many presents am I getting" you realise that the idea is ridiculous.

I will also not allow myself to live by the rules of religious teaching, which we all know are basically man made.

TheBig3 · 12-20-2011, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TomClancy11

I don't dismiss it at all. I hope there is a God. Would be great. But I will not allow myself to believe in something that is basically an idea. I wished Santa was real, but as soon as I was able to think beyond "How many presents am I getting" you realise that the idea is ridiculous.

I will also not allow myself to live by the rules of religious teaching, which we all know are basically man made.

See this is what I'm talking about. No one said anything about religious teachings. You're thinking of a Christian God.

God =/= religion.
God =/= teachings.

And theres no telling what god is or what its intentions are, so the whole "presents" analogy is again Christian.

View Poll Results: Your level of observance?
Non-practicing/secular form of religion	20	43.48%
A little observant	3	6.52%
Middle-of-the-road observance	11	23.91%
Strict adherence to religious rules	4	8.70%
Don't know	8	17.39%
Voters: 46. You may not vote on this poll

12-20-2011, 07:18 PM	#418 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	I find to be quite illogical that you could instantly dismiss the idea of divinity and think that this awe-inspiring universe could just be a pointless result of chance. I don't see how something so insanely intricate and marvelous could just be an act of chance.