Religious people: what is your level of observance?

GeddyBass2112 · 08-25-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SIRIUSB

The same could be said about the god myth, difference is that science is pretty sure there at was at least a Big Bang.

Eh, I dunno.

RVCA · 08-26-2011, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GeddyBass2112

Simple answer is: we don't know. We don't know what happened before the Big Bang and so we cannot impose any properties on God that we cannot actively PROVE with science.

Science applies to everything but God, then. Classic theist logic I suppose

The Batlord · 08-26-2011, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by GeddyBass2112

Simple answer is: we don't know. We don't know what happened before the Big Bang and so we cannot impose any properties on God that we cannot actively PROVE with science.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say that the universe MUST have been started by a god (which is assuming that you know the properties of the universe, even though we still don't know how it all started), but imply that god didn't need to be started by another force himself. And that must be what you're implying. Because for your belief to be valid, god must have existed for eternity or else something else caused him to be in existence. Whether or not you claim to know this is irrelevant, because by your belief you are saying that it's true. You can't claim science for the Big Bang, and magic for god and still have your argument be based in logic.

SIRIUSB · 08-26-2011, 11:28 AM

Personally, my ideas fall somewhere between Jung's archetypal theory that gods, devils, demons, angels, djinn etc. are ancient archetypal images embedded deep within unconsciousness, brought to the surface through symbolism and such . . . and the many theories of One's Consciousness existing separate of the objective/physical universe and upon reflecting on itself this Consciousness becomes Dualistic and begins its descent into a materialized, physical Consciousness.

The religious ideas of a 'Fall from Grace' seem to be echoed from this theory, as well as ideas of Oneness and a Higher-Self/Father/Son/Holy Spirit.

Religions to me, seem to be the attempts to explain these actions which have become veiled to the mind during the 'Fall' into physical form.

In any case, these theories seem to be complex yet simple in structure and to me make much more sense than all the confusing, contradicting religious myths and ideas.

The Batlord · 08-26-2011, 11:40 AM

^Alright, that sounds like another of your posts, pretty much word for word. Which site did you cut-and-paste that from?

SIRIUSB · 08-26-2011, 12:45 PM

What can I say, I'm consistent in my thoughts . . . if anything I quote from myself.

mettalmag · 11-08-2011, 07:33 AM

i'm just reading holy" books, like Bible, Bhagavat Gita or even Qabbalah. I believe in high reasons and my readings are just for to know it better.

blastingas10 · 12-16-2011, 03:00 AM

If you want to talk about god, you first must define god. When you think that god created the universe, what do you see? I can't even really imagine how it happened. I can't picture a big, bearded man somehow creating all of this. Just what exactly could god be? I'd like to hear some explanations.

**Frownland** · 12-16-2011, 04:51 PM

Everyone has different interests and personas, so everybody has a different personal god. Even if you have it crammed down your throat all of your life that god is a fish, you and somebody with the same belief cast upon them still will not have the same idea of that god.
I personally believe that a god exists, I don't know what as, but that he is not as powerful as many believe it to be. The god I believe exists is not necessarily all-controlling, just more of a guide upon our life's journey.

blastingas10 · 12-16-2011, 06:31 PM

I like renowned physicist, Roger Penrose's view on life.

He says:

"I think I would say that the universe has a purpose, it's not somehow just there by chance ... some people, I think, take the view that the universe is just there and it runs along–it's a bit like it just sort of computes, and we happen somehow by accident to find ourselves in this thing. But I don't think that's a very fruitful or helpful way of looking at the universe, I think that there is something much deeper about it."

Penrose is a very renowned physicist - he shared the Wolf Prize with Stephen Hawking in 1988 for his contribution to our understanding of the universe. He is certainly a credible source on the subject.

Roger Penrose Says Physics Is Wrong, From String Theory to Quantum Mechanics:
http://discovermagazine.com/2009/sep...tart:int=1&-C=

View Poll Results: Your level of observance?
Non-practicing/secular form of religion	20	43.48%
A little observant	3	6.52%
Middle-of-the-road observance	11	23.91%
Strict adherence to religious rules	4	8.70%
Don't know	8	17.39%
Voters: 46. You may not vote on this poll

11-08-2011, 07:33 AM	#347 (permalink)
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12-16-2011, 06:31 PM	#350 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	I like renowned physicist, Roger Penrose's view on life. He says: "I think I would say that the universe has a purpose, it's not somehow just there by chance ... some people, I think, take the view that the universe is just there and it runs along–it's a bit like it just sort of computes, and we happen somehow by accident to find ourselves in this thing. But I don't think that's a very fruitful or helpful way of looking at the universe, I think that there is something much deeper about it." Penrose is a very renowned physicist - he shared the Wolf Prize with Stephen Hawking in 1988 for his contribution to our understanding of the universe. He is certainly a credible source on the subject. Roger Penrose Says Physics Is Wrong, From String Theory to Quantum Mechanics: http://discovermagazine.com/2009/sep...tart:int=1&-C= Last edited by blastingas10; 12-16-2011 at 06:47 PM.

08-26-2011, 11:28 AM	#344 (permalink)
SIRIUSB Luciferian Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 278	Personally, my ideas fall somewhere between Jung's archetypal theory that gods, devils, demons, angels, djinn etc. are ancient archetypal images embedded deep within unconsciousness, brought to the surface through symbolism and such . . . and the many theories of One's Consciousness existing separate of the objective/physical universe and upon reflecting on itself this Consciousness becomes Dualistic and begins its descent into a materialized, physical Consciousness. The religious ideas of a 'Fall from Grace' seem to be echoed from this theory, as well as ideas of Oneness and a Higher-Self/Father/Son/Holy Spirit. Religions to me, seem to be the attempts to explain these actions which have become veiled to the mind during the 'Fall' into physical form. In any case, these theories seem to be complex yet simple in structure and to me make much more sense than all the confusing, contradicting religious myths and ideas.

08-26-2011, 12:45 PM	#346 (permalink)
SIRIUSB Luciferian Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 278	What can I say, I'm consistent in my thoughts . . . if anything I quote from myself.

12-16-2011, 03:00 AM	#348 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	If you want to talk about god, you first must define god. When you think that god created the universe, what do you see? I can't even really imagine how it happened. I can't picture a big, bearded man somehow creating all of this. Just what exactly could god be? I'd like to hear some explanations.

12-16-2011, 04:51 PM	#349 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Everyone has different interests and personas, so everybody has a different personal god. Even if you have it crammed down your throat all of your life that god is a fish, you and somebody with the same belief cast upon them still will not have the same idea of that god. I personally believe that a god exists, I don't know what as, but that he is not as powerful as many believe it to be. The god I believe exists is not necessarily all-controlling, just more of a guide upon our life's journey.