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Non-practicing/secular form of religion | 20 | 43.48% | |
A little observant | 3 | 6.52% | |
Middle-of-the-road observance | 11 | 23.91% | |
Strict adherence to religious rules | 4 | 8.70% | |
Don't know | 8 | 17.39% | |
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08-21-2011, 06:01 PM | #323 (permalink) | |
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This God however is limited ONLY to creating the universe, and setting up those initial principles which allowed the universe to come into being as it is today. To answer the question, atheism is similar to deism in that it rejects superstition and replaces it with scientific and logic principles, but the major difference is that in the case of the deist, there exists a God who gave us those principles.
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08-21-2011, 06:19 PM | #324 (permalink) | |
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"If the general picture of a big bang followed by an expanding universe is correct, what happened before that? Was the universe devoid of all matter and then the matter somehow, suddenly created? How did that happen? In many cultures the customary answer is that a god or gods created the universe out of nothing. But if we wish to pursue this question courageously, we must of course ask the next question: where did god come from? If we decide that this is an unanswerable question, why not save a step and conclude that the origin of the universe is an unanswerable question? Or if we say that god always existed, why not save a step and conclude that the universe always existed?" Then where did God come from? (Carl Sagan) - YouTube |
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08-22-2011, 11:10 AM | #325 (permalink) | |
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It's not that I don't respect the deists themselves, as they're usually far more intelligent and reasonable than most, but deists strikes me as atheists too scared to not believe in god. They get rid of everything religious, except for the actual god belief.
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08-22-2011, 02:49 PM | #326 (permalink) | |
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But the belief in a God CAN exist without believing in prayer, the afterlife or anything else. Indeed, God doesn't need these ideas to exist.
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08-23-2011, 08:31 PM | #330 (permalink) |
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I'm sorry but Paine is simply using mathematics as a guise to fancy up his real argument: God must exist because there has to have been a "first mover", and this is something I have already addressed by quoting Carl Sagan. Perhaps God was the "first mover", but then where did god come from? If we decide that this is an unanswerable question, why not save a step and conclude that the origin of the universe is an unanswerable question? Or if we say that god always existed, why not save a step and conclude that the universe always existed?
If "God" must be an immutable "first mover", why not save a step and conclude that physics does not need a "first mover"? Last edited by RVCA; 08-23-2011 at 08:37 PM. |
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