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OccultHawk 02-13-2011 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by poppie (Post 1002409)
I wonder if this will cause a chain reaction
and make other countries
like iran start back up again!
congrats to egypt! you are free now well done.

Free to be the next Libya! What a great day for the world- woohoo!!!

Burning Down 02-13-2011 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by poppie (Post 1002409)
I wonder if this will cause a chain reaction
and make other countries
like iran start back up again!
congrats to egypt! you are free now well done.

If democratic revolutions like this spill over into neighbouring countries, it could be a serious security risk to the US and other countries. Especially the ones who are in possession of nuclear WMDs. Democracy doesn't sit well with many cultures, and theirs is one of them. It creates instability.

Scarlett O'Hara 02-13-2011 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan (Post 1003392)
I had no idea wth was going on, if that means anything. :wave:

:love:

So... a cuo happened eh. Can't see how that is a positive but apparently the Egyptians are celebrating.

djchameleon 02-13-2011 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1003677)
:love:

So... a cuo happened eh. Can't see how that is a positive but apparently the Egyptians are celebrating.

it's a good coup so far but still remains to be seen by who gets put into power now.

They are mostly celebrating the fact that democracy won out over the oppression they have endured for years.

Janszoon 02-13-2011 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1003677)
:love:

So... a cuo happened eh. Can't see how that is a positive but apparently the Egyptians are celebrating.

You can't see how giving the boot to an oppressive and corrupt leader who's been in office for the three decades is a positive thing?

Scarlett O'Hara 02-16-2011 06:24 AM

Oh honey I do see it as a positive, but from experience of watching the Fijian coup unfold through military uprising it's not always going to improve the situation of the people. However, this may not be the case. Caution is just required for such a delicate situation. People are demanding jobs now and with continuous protesting the country is only going to continue to suffer economically.

djchameleon 02-16-2011 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1005595)
People are demanding jobs now and with continuous protesting the country is only going to continue to suffer economically.

They were demanding jobs before all of the recent protesting.

Scarlett O'Hara 02-16-2011 06:30 AM

I meant to add jobs in the government.

TockTockTock 02-19-2011 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1003689)
You can't see how giving the boot to an oppressive and corrupt leader who's been in office for the three decades is a positive thing?

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1000047)
FYI: About 300 people have died so far.



More could die next (even though the majority, if not all, of those deaths were triggered by undercover people hired by Mubarak to provoke the protesters). I've also been seeing worry in the media about negative predictions on how their new government could turn out. They've brought up the idea that anti-western groups could end up controlling the country, or power could just go back to people like Mubarak. Personally, though, I think this is a good thing, and it has triggered other mass protests all along the Middle East against other oppressive governments. So, maybe this is a way for democracy to actually reach that area? I certainly hope so.

Barnard17 02-23-2011 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1005595)
Oh honey I do see it as a positive, but from experience of watching the Fijian coup unfold through military uprising it's not always going to improve the situation of the people. However, this may not be the case. Caution is just required for such a delicate situation. People are demanding jobs now and with continuous protesting the country is only going to continue to suffer economically.

Yes, but the people have to continue protesting. Since 1952 Egypt has been controlled by the military - once a military dictator dies a junta takes control and selects the next dictator. This is no different. Since coming into power the military junta has banned protests, unions, told everyone to go back to work and "promised" it will set up free and fair elections. After having banned protests and unions? So quite how those elections are going to be organised, or how good the options will be in what was formally a single party state for the last 60 years, remains to be seen. The economy will pick up again once humanity is on the right track.

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat (Post 1007421)
More could die next (even though the majority, if not all, of those deaths were triggered by undercover people hired by Mubarak to provoke the protesters). I've also been seeing worry in the media about negative predictions on how their new government could turn out. They've brought up the idea that anti-western groups could end up controlling the country, or power could just go back to people like Mubarak. Personally, though, I think this is a good thing, and it has triggered other mass protests all along the Middle East against other oppressive governments. So, maybe this is a way for democracy to actually reach that area? I certainly hope so.

We have no right to judge them on whether or not they put an anti-Western group in power. If we want them to have a democracy then we must support their decision regardless. And to be honest considering we supported Mubarak whilst he was in power you wouldn't really blame them if things did end up swinging that way. The media's scaremongering that the Moslem Brotherhood will take power is, however, absolutely ridiculous.

TockTockTock 02-24-2011 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Barnard17 (Post 1009938)
We have no right to judge them on whether or not they put an anti-Western group in power. If we want them to have a democracy then we must support their decision regardless. And to be honest considering we supported Mubarak whilst he was in power you wouldn't really blame them if things did end up swinging that way. The media's scaremongering that the Moslem Brotherhood will take power is, however, absolutely ridiculous.

I never said we shouldn't support them. I think it's logical to consider all possible outcomes in a discussion, and I personally don't want another Iran out there (which is doubtful because Iranians are somewhat in the process of their own protest, too - the anti-western sentiment comes more from the government and less from the people). I do agree with you, however, on the portrayal of the Muslim Brotherhood in the media. The majority of their members are doctors, lawyers, and other well-to-do intellectuals. And while I don't agree with them on their view of women in politics, I definitely do not see anything particularly dangerous about them. They're basically just a socially conservative group of people (although it's a bit more complicated than that but you get the idea).


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