John Wilkes Booth

here's my basic stance. feel free to tear it apart, but you know i will probably have some **** to say back so yea. fair warning.

i support the general idea of equal rights and i do think that generally speaking women get the short end of the stick. i think the whole patriarchy concept does make sense and most of the examples of men getting the short end of the stick are a result of a) modern attempts to correct the historical injustice women have faced or b) generally having lower expectations of women than we do of men because of the sexist notion that women are less capable than men in general.

however i do think there is something to 'gender roles' that goes deeper than just cultural norms. i think the basic mating strategy that humans have adopted has gender roles built right into it. i can expand on that if need be but i'll leave it at that for now. long story short i think the "man works, woman tends to the kids" arrangement has a pretty sound biological basis to it and so the modern attempt to sort of transcend that dynamic is probably well-meaning but it is a lot trickier than i think a lot of progressives and feminists want to admit.

i don't call myself a feminist partially because of the image that feminists have in our society. basically they come across as whiney and annoying for the most part. i think part of that is a backlash against their ideals but another part of it is the fact that the movement is actually full of loud mouthed twats who look for any excuse to bitch and complain about every little thing.

plus, they hate a lot of the stuff i love. they hate hemingway cause he's 'sexist and homophobic.' i like hemingway cause his books are enjoyable to me. they hate misogynistic rap music cause it demeans women. i like misogynistic rap music because it's fun to listen to. they want language and art to be non-offensive and to make them and other minorities feel comfortable. i want them to man up and grow some thicker skin. basically i feel uncomfortable in the kind of PC world they want to create and they feel uncomfortable in my world. so even though i do think women should be paid a fair wage and **** like that, i can't be a feminist cause it just goes against my nature.

WWWP

This had me nodding in agreement throughout. While I may disagree on some specifics I generally subscribe to your point of view.

John Wilkes Booth

i am curious which specifics you disagree with though. if you just don't wanna argue then you can tell me and i won't argue back. or if you do wanna argue then you know i'm down lol. either way it's your choice.

WWWP

I guess after rereading any initial disagreements I felt are mainly just schisms between the presentation of modern feminism and my understanding of feminism in relation to myself. I forget sometimes that my perception of what feminism means/is isn't equal to what's mainstream these days.

John Wilkes Booth

i think i might know what you mean by this post but i might be wrong. i am unsure tbh. my interpretation is that you're basically saying that your idea of what feminism is and my idea of what feminism is aren't the same, so some of my criticisms don't apply to your definition of feminism. my picture of feminism largely comes from pop culture, youtube videos, a few internet discussions like this one and interactions with self-proclaimed feminists where as you have probably put more time into researching feminism if you consider yourself one.

WWWP

Well, yes and no. Our views on feminist issues - at least the ones mentioned here - are the same or similar, but the discrepancy is in our views on feminism as a whole due to different experiences.