Urban Hat€monger ?

It has nothing to do with chivalry.
Holding a door open is general politeness regardless of the sex of the person you do it for.
You should have told the dumb bitch that's the sort of thing genuinely kind human beings do for each other regardless of whether they have a vagina or not.

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Wow. That first comment is so rude. What if it was a woman who held the door open for her? I agree with Urban, if somebody hold the door or elevator or whatever for you, it's common courtesy and it's polite to just say "thank you" and be on with your day. They're not doing it because you're a woman or whatever.

Also she can't spell. Maybe she had male English teachers and she thought she was being oppressed by them so she cut the class.

Cuthbert

That account has got to be somebody on a wum, surely nobody can be that thick.

Janszoon

Holding a door is sexual gratification?

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What do you mean she can't spell? There is a thing called womyn but I have no idea what it means. It has something to do with feminists.

Also, Urban I wasn't my loud self when it happened. I was more shy so I just let her get away with the crap she was saying.

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Circe

Yeah, feminazis often refuse to use the spelling "women" because the spelling was invented by a society under the complete influence of the patriarchy.

Cuthbert

Fuck me .

Trollheart

Firstly, I think everyone should be equal. Why women are not, or were not, is perhaps their own fault to some small degree, as they allowed themselves to be oppressed for too long before standing up for themselves. Think about it: why did women accept a lower social status than men? Women are the ones who bring life into the world, so surely they should be viewed, if anyone should, as the superior form of life?

But now it's gone the other way. It's the radical, almost fanatical and angry feminism I can't stand. As has been said here already, things like holding doors, standing up when a woman comes into the room (oh nobody does that anymore do they?), giving up your seat or pushing hers in, offering to pay for the whole date (or just assuming you are), even goddamn smiling at a woman can now get you the label of being a sexist. And why? Are feminists so insecure now that they have to put down men at every opportunity, to show how liberated they are?

Here's a joke I made up, but it encapsulates the thinking of SOME women, I stress some, the type I speak of above.

Two women fall over a cliff, one grabs the ledge, the other holds on to her leg, swinging wildly. Calling for help. Man hears, comes over. Reaches down. Woman screams "Get away from me! You're trying to oppress me! I dont need your male help! I'm not some tiny frail flower who needs a MAN to help me up! We're just fine here, my sister and me. Stop trying to impose your male-dominating agenda on us! **** off!"

Yeah, unlikely but it demonstrates how bloody single-minded some feminists can be. It's not all about inequality, or oppression. I was brought up to respect women, and this is what I do. If that offends someone's sense of their own gender worth, or whatever, then that's their problem. I'll continue to help women and be as polite as I can and nobody will stop me doing that.

And what's with the burning of the bra? I never got that? Don't yaz need those for support? If you're going to say that it's because the bra is an invention of males then you're going to have to burn your skirt, knickers, pantyhose, shoes, blouse and walk around naked, cos men are going to have been involved in the manufacture, production and/or distribution of all of these at some point. Just seems a pointless gesture and not founded in any reality.

But this thread also ties in with Vanilla's other one about whether women get paid equally, and no they don't of course. It's sad but true. When I worked, Laura was one the best workers, everything you could ask for, and yet she got at least two grand less than I did. How is that fair? For no other reason than that she's a woman?

So to answer the question: feminism is certainly fine. Revel in your femininity. It's when it becomes more a superior than an equal attitude that women fall into the trap of repeating the same prejudices they profess to hate men for, yet somehow fail to see it.

tl;dr: women are great and should be treated equally, but the reverse should also be true from their side.

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4gotmyPW

Feminism is stupid b/c the objective is silly, therefore it is not needed

Guybrush

I am generally for equality and I feel like that generally also makes me a feminist as women's rights are not as strong as men's rights in many if not most parts of the world - which might be an interesting thing to discuss.

But I feel like this whole thread is basically bringing up this strawman argument where feminism is portrayed as some sort of extremism. What you're currently discussing is not really feminism, or not a good representation of it, but rather the silly attitudes of a minority of stupid people.

Meanwhile, there is a genuine need for the sort of "moderate" feminism that most of us will probably agree is morally sound; in your society and other societies. Maybe a new thread should be made called "moderate feminism" where one can discuss women's legal rights, salaries, parental leave and so on instead of people getting angry over chivalry and politeness.

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