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Sljslj 11-22-2010 03:00 PM

Possible ban coming on alchoholic energy drinks, such As FourLoko and Joose
 
Banning them or making the companies remove caffiene and guarana from their products isn't gonna solve a damn thing. They need to educate people, especially minors, on the effects of mixing stimulants with alchohol.

Alcoholic energy drinks under fire in TN, U.S. | jacksonsun.com | The Jackson Sun

Dirty 11-22-2010 03:46 PM

I heard this last year at Christmas time... Then I heard it through this year. And a couple days ago everyone said Lokos were officially gone from shelves. Yet I went down to the bottle shop and still saw them there. The lady working there told me that they were encouraged to take them off the shelves, but weren't made to do anytihng. And they are huge sellers so obviously they aren't going to remove them if they don't have to. I don't see the big deal to be honest. All alcohol is dangerous if you use too much of it. Kids are gonna be stupid and drink too much regardless of what alcohol is out there. Some people just want to get ****ed up beyond belief, and if lokos arent available, they'll just find something else. I personally like four Loko, they are cheap and I don't mind the taste for the price and the drunk it gives me.

RVCA 11-22-2010 03:48 PM

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Local agencies that track substance abuse are concerned about the youth-oriented marketing and health effects of alcoholic energy drinks being studied by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
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The letters challenge the companies to remove caffeine from their alcoholic malt beverages because of studies that show the combination can lead people to underestimate how drunk they are and engage in dangerous behavior.
I think a ban on these type of drinks could be perfectly legitimate. The government has every right to interfere with your personal liberty when you're too stupid to realize that drinking a FourLoko and then driving to a party could lead to a fatal accident.

As a resident of perhaps the biggest college party town in the United States, I think the concerns presented in this article are perfectly valid.

mr dave 11-22-2010 04:13 PM

how is banning the pre-combined drinks going to stop someone from just getting an un-alcoholized version of the drink and then just mixing it?

you know, like exactly how people used to do it before the companies figured out how to cash in by pre-mixing things for us. then again i'm in Canada and you can't legally buy booze outside of controlled licensed establishments. i'm boggled by the duality / hypocrisy of the American stance on alcohol.

if you don't want it in the hands of children don't sell it in the grocery store and don't make it bright and colourful and fun.

it's like when we ran into a group of youths drinking on the west coast years ago showing off this new beer they got in plastic bottles... 'It's so great, it doesn't even matter if i drop it!'. no adult with half a clue in their head would buy beer in a plastic bottle (GROSS!), it's obviously marketed to kids who don't know much of anything and who obviously haven't learned their limits.

yet... there it is, right next to the milk :banghead:

Dirty 11-22-2010 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 959679)
how is banning the pre-combined drinks going to stop someone from just getting an un-alcoholized version of the drink and then just mixing it?

you know, like exactly how people used to do it before the companies figured out how to cash in by pre-mixing things for us. then again i'm in Canada and you can't legally buy booze outside of controlled licensed establishments. i'm boggled by the duality / hypocrisy of the American stance on alcohol.

if you don't want it in the hands of children don't sell it in the grocery store and don't make it bright and colourful and fun.

it's like when we ran into a group of youths drinking on the west coast years ago showing off this new beer they got in plastic bottles... 'It's so great, it doesn't even matter if i drop it!'. no adult with half a clue in their head would buy beer in a plastic bottle (GROSS!), it's obviously marketed to kids who don't know much of anything and who obviously haven't learned their limits.

yet... there it is, right next to the milk :banghead:

In my state they don't sell it in grocery stores :mad: Lol, I wish i could buy it next to the milk! Save me an extra trip down the street. People are making too much of Four Lokos. I can go to the bar and drink a ton of Jagerbombs and nobody cares. People like to drink, people like to get drunk. College kids are still going to be hospitalized every year from drinking too much, it has nothing to do with Lokos.

Paedantic Basterd 11-22-2010 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA (Post 959662)
I think a ban on these type of drinks could be perfectly legitimate. The government has every right to interfere with your personal liberty when you're too stupid to realize that drinking a FourLoko and then driving to a party could lead to a fatal accident.

As a resident of perhaps the biggest college party town in the United States, I think the concerns presented in this article are perfectly valid.

I'm with you on this.

someonecompletelyrandom 11-22-2010 06:00 PM

You know a fun fact that I just learned recently (although I'm not sure if it's true so help me out)?

Apparently in the US, it is only the sale of alcohol to minors and the purchasing of alcohol by minors which is illegal. As well as public possession of alcohol by a minor. So it isn't technically illegal to drink in my own house? Not that I ever cared when I did, anyway.

:offtopic:

But anyway, like mr. dave said - what's to stop people from just mixing them? Although I guess it's less of an encouragement to do so.

RVCA 11-22-2010 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan (Post 959716)
But anyway, like mr. dave said - what's to stop people from just mixing them? Although I guess it's less of an encouragement to do so.

Nothing, just as nothing is stopping people from shorting out on Ecstasy if they really want to. Just because we can't absolutely prevent something doesn't mean we shouldn't impose restrictions on it.

someonecompletelyrandom 11-22-2010 06:18 PM

Yeah, that's what I thought too. I just wanted to say something vaguely relative to the discussion so you'd all like me better.

Paedantic Basterd 11-22-2010 06:43 PM

We shouldn't make it easier for stupid people to do stupid things. If they're really hell bent on making themselves sick after that, then it's just natural selection.

Janszoon 11-22-2010 08:51 PM

Ah yes.

*sips Jim Beam and Coke*

Freebase Dali 11-22-2010 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 959767)
Ah yes.

*sips Jim Beam and Coke*

I thought it was the coolest thing ever when I first discovered those pre-mixed Beam & Cokes in a can. Perfect for driving!

Janszoon 11-22-2010 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 959769)
I thought it was the coolest thing ever when I first discovered those pre-mixed Beam & Cokes in a can. Perfect for driving!

Hahaha, I have to say I was excited about those at first too, but they're too Coke-heavy for my tastes. I like a little more kick.

mr dave 11-23-2010 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 959769)
I thought it was the coolest thing ever when I first discovered those pre-mixed Beam & Cokes in a can. Perfect for driving!

i honestly thought you were joking until i googled that crap. do young people really not know how to mix drinks anymore?

CanwllCorfe 11-23-2010 08:11 PM

That's not too surprising IMO. We already have hot dogs that are sold already in the bun, which is just pathetic. I forgot the brand.. I think it may be Ball Park.

Freebase Dali 11-23-2010 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 959837)
i honestly thought you were joking until i googled that crap. do young people really not know how to mix drinks anymore?

I dunno. I mix drinks fine on my own. I think the marketing value of the whole concept dwelt more in the convenience factor than anything, but that was just my perspective. I can't speak for today's youth.

RVCA 11-24-2010 12:34 PM

Was reading Newsweek during a doctor trip, came across this...

Why Caffeinated Alcohol Drinks Are So Risky - Newsweek

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While there have always been drinks that mix caffeine and alcohol, health experts say these pre-mixed ****tails are much more dangerous than rum and Coke or even Red Bull and vodka. The cans may be the size of two 12-ounce beers, but they deliver a much stronger punch. “Some, like Four Loko, are 12 percent alcohol and have something in the range of 200mg of caffeine,” says Bruce Goldberger, a forensic toxicologist at the University of Florida. “That’s the equivalent of five to six beers and four to five colas in one can.” A 110-pound woman who downs a single can will have a blood-alcohol level twice the national intoxication standard, he says.


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