Animal Cruelty

s_k · 11-25-2010, 11:02 AM

Well I agree with you that I rather eat meat from an animal who had a happy life (in fact, I do only eat that sort of meat, which is really expensive, but for me it's worth it

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But in the posting I linked to I can't seem to find anything about killing to eat.
And then there's another problem, if you shoot an animal and it manages to get away, it has to live the rest of it's life crippled. No good for me.

I'd like to add: I'm not against eating meat, but I am against cruelty to animals. So I don't just eat any meat and I'm very much against recreational hunting.

Guybrush · 11-25-2010, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by s_k

And then there's another problem, if you shoot an animal and it manages to get away, it has to live the rest of it's life crippled. No good for me.

True, it's hard to avoid cruelty when you kill animals. In Norway, messing up your shot like that is actually illegal and your fellows in your hunting team have a responsibility to report such incidences. A mess up like that can cost you your hunting license, making you have to go through shooting training again with the relevant exams before you can hunt again. I'm not sure how it is in the US, but I hope they have a similar system - or a better one.

Of course this system relies on fellow hunters actually reporting eachother when they mess up which I guess only happens on occasion, but at least it's something. I know quite a few hunters and they generally take pride in their shooting skills and making killing shots.

I slaughtered reindeers as part of a biology course in the arctic and then I remember one of the animals had been shot in the stomach first and then killed afterwards, so I guess misses are not that uncommon. Some of it's guts had exploded and were leaking, so it was quite messy on the inside too .. another reason to aim true.

s_k · 11-25-2010, 11:29 AM

I once heard this story about Norway that tourists were allowed to shoot at animals for their enjoyment. Reading what you say here, I get the idea that this story isn't true.
Please tell me it isn't

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I understand hunting because of overpopulation or research for ilnesses and such.
I just think it should only be done by professionals and in no way to have 'fun'.

Guybrush · 11-25-2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k

I once heard this story about Norway that tourists were allowed to shoot at animals for their enjoyment. Reading what you say here, I get the idea that this story isn't true.
Please tell me it isn't

.

I understand hunting because of overpopulation or research for ilnesses and such.
I just think it should only be done by professionals and in no way to have 'fun'.

Any tourist wanting to hunt here have to be able to show documented proof that they've had training equivalent to or better than the training required to get a hunting license here. Then they have to pay a fee and if they want to hunt on private property, they also need a permit from the land owner. That's a funny story though

Paedantic Basterd · 11-25-2010, 12:34 PM

...Assuming the deer was killed for meat, and not just for sport. I didn't read, was it?

s_k · 11-25-2010, 07:26 PM

I'm not sure. It's not mentioned in that posting...

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Originally Posted by tore

Any tourist wanting to hunt here have to be able to show documented proof that they've had training equivalent to or better than the training required to get a hunting license here. Then they have to pay a fee and if they want to hunt on private property, they also need a permit from the land owner. That's a funny story though

Altough I think recreational hunting should be banned alltogether, It's good to hear that. You get to hear strange stories abroad, as you see.
I'm really attracted by scandinavia. Really wanting to go to Sweden or Norway some time. I was thinking about boycotting Norway because of their strange ideas of tourism. I'm glad to hear that I was misinformed

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 12-01-2010, 11:57 AM

It's a great start for Pigs in New Zealand, farmers are banning Sow Stalls! Prices of meat will be pushed up but I think most agree it will be worth it.

Pig farmers hope ban on sow stalls will buy loyalty - National - NZ Herald News

midnight rain · 12-01-2010, 12:17 PM

It's stupid to not eat animals because it's "cruel". Spend a year out in the Alaskan wilderness and tell me how beautiful nature is after that. It makes no sense considering other animals eat each other anyways. We're doing what we were biologically programmed to do. If we were any lower on the food chain, then the higher up animals would eat us and not think twice. Why should we? We're just lucky where we are in the ecosystem.

s_k · 12-01-2010, 08:06 PM

The biggest Supermarket Chain "Albert Heijn" has decided it will only sell what we call "Bio meat" when it comes to pork. I just did a little big of googling and found out that it means something entirely different in english.
So bio meat (biological meat) is mainly meat from animals that have had space to live, were treated right, were not genetically manipulated, not castrated etcetera.
What's the proper english word for that?

~~Dirty~~ · 12-01-2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuna

It's stupid to not eat animals because it's "cruel". Spend a year out in the Alaskan wilderness and tell me how beautiful nature is after that. It makes no sense considering other animals eat each other anyways. We're doing what we were biologically programmed to do. If we were any lower on the food chain, then the higher up animals would eat us and not think twice. Why should we? We're just lucky where we are in the ecosystem.

Like I've said... people are confusing their own feelings with animals feelings. millions of animals are killed by other animals all the time. It's how the food chain works. I don't really understand why people are so sensitive towards killing and eating animals. The most powerful use their power. If somehow bears could lead an uprising and start attacking and killing tons of people, then they would.

And before someone jumps in with comparisons, pets are a different story. Some animals are treated differently than others. Dogs are not the saw as cows. That's just the way it is

11-25-2010, 11:02 AM	#51 (permalink)
s_k Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,206	Well I agree with you that I rather eat meat from an animal who had a happy life (in fact, I do only eat that sort of meat, which is really expensive, but for me it's worth it ). But in the posting I linked to I can't seem to find anything about killing to eat. And then there's another problem, if you shoot an animal and it manages to get away, it has to live the rest of it's life crippled. No good for me. I'd like to add: I'm not against eating meat, but I am against cruelty to animals. So I don't just eat any meat and I'm very much against recreational hunting. __________________ Click here to see my collection

11-25-2010, 11:29 AM	#53 (permalink)
s_k Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,206	I once heard this story about Norway that tourists were allowed to shoot at animals for their enjoyment. Reading what you say here, I get the idea that this story isn't true. Please tell me it isn't . I understand hunting because of overpopulation or research for ilnesses and such. I just think it should only be done by professionals and in no way to have 'fun'. __________________ Click here to see my collection

12-01-2010, 11:57 AM	#57 (permalink)
Scarlett O'Hara Make it so Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,181	It's a great start for Pigs in New Zealand, farmers are banning Sow Stalls! Prices of meat will be pushed up but I think most agree it will be worth it. Pig farmers hope ban on sow stalls will buy loyalty - National - NZ Herald News __________________ "Elph is truly an enfant terrible of the forum, bless and curse him" - Marie, Queen of Thots

12-01-2010, 08:06 PM	#59 (permalink)
s_k Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,206	The biggest Supermarket Chain "Albert Heijn" has decided it will only sell what we call "Bio meat" when it comes to pork. I just did a little big of googling and found out that it means something entirely different in english. So bio meat (biological meat) is mainly meat from animals that have had space to live, were treated right, were not genetically manipulated, not castrated etcetera. What's the proper english word for that? __________________ Click here to see my collection

11-25-2010, 12:34 PM	#55 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	...Assuming the deer was killed for meat, and not just for sport. I didn't read, was it?

12-01-2010, 12:17 PM	#58 (permalink)
midnight rain Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,711	It's stupid to not eat animals because it's "cruel". Spend a year out in the Alaskan wilderness and tell me how beautiful nature is after that. It makes no sense considering other animals eat each other anyways. We're doing what we were biologically programmed to do. If we were any lower on the food chain, then the higher up animals would eat us and not think twice. Why should we? We're just lucky where we are in the ecosystem.