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Old 01-29-2019, 11:36 AM   #321 (permalink)
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Well the problem doesn't so much seem to be food (we got plenty of that just no one cares about giving it to people without shekels in their wallet,) but pollution. Malthus didn't count on pollution as far as I know so that doesn't count. Kind of an academic disagreement but we're still dealing in potential non-issues that are only issues because of capitalism and shortsightedness, not because of incontrovertible food math.
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Well the problem doesn't so much seem to be food (we got plenty of that just no one cares about giving it to people without shekels in their wallet,) but pollution. Malthus didn't count on pollution as far as I know so that doesn't count. Kind of an academic disagreement but we're still dealing in potential non-issues that are only issues because of capitalism and shortsightedness, not because of incontrovertible food math.
The food math still stands.
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Old 01-29-2019, 12:03 PM   #323 (permalink)
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I'm no expert but as far as I know Malthus' projections have been incredibly off and food production has increased far more exponentially than he ever predicted through modern agrigultural technology to the point where it has outpaced population growth.
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At what environmental cost and how sustainable are they?
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Like I said no expert and I'm only really casually disputing a guy whose calculations were from 200 years ago. I certainly don't know what's sustainable given the current rate of technological growth vs. population growth.
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I'm no expert but as far as I know Malthus' projections have been incredibly off and food production has increased far more exponentially than he ever predicted through modern agrigultural technology to the point where it has outpaced population growth.
Resources are limited. Technology can’t change that. Whatever his numbers were the Malthusian principals are indisputable. Currently we’re depleting renewable resources faster than they’re renewing. Fish. Trees. Arable land. Potable water. Rain forests. Aquifers. And the oil that our agricultural machinery will not run on without. And replacing fossil fuels that hold hundreds of millions years worth of solar energy with alternative energy sources is a Pollyanna fairytale. Our DNA demands we Easter Island ourselves. The premise of Malthusian thought is we’re populating ourselves into starvation and we are.
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Like I said no expert and I'm only really casually disputing a guy whose calculations were from 200 years ago. I certainly don't know what's sustainable given the current rate of technological growth vs. population growth.
Unless we turn ourselves into robots we’re going to need to consume other living organisms (or at least organic matter) to survive.
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Go vegan! And be mindful of your carbon footprint and unnecessary consumption of products. Thats all i got.
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My point is that vaccinations are comparatively as crucial
They also poision to your immune system..... MANY PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THIS AND DONT WANNA HURT THEMSELVES!
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Resources are limited. Technology can’t change that. Whatever his numbers were the Malthusian principals are indisputable. Currently we’re depleting renewable resources faster than they’re renewing. Fish. Trees. Arable land. Potable water. Rain forests. Aquifers. And the oil that our agricultural machinery will not run on without. And replacing fossil fuels that hold hundreds of millions years worth of solar energy with alternative energy sources is a Pollyanna fairytale. Our DNA demands we Easter Island ourselves. The premise of Malthusian thought is we’re populating ourselves into starvation and we are.
I mean I don't disagree in principle but Malthus is still a major contributor to eugenics and my original pithy but fun point was that Bill Gates' comments could still be interpreted as kinder friendlier eugenics on the down low.
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