Even to allow that is unacceptable

They just gotta take their medicine- no two ways

Why do you care if others aren't vaccinated? As long as you are, you're still "safe," right? [/SARCASM]

That's cool. Now let's see some numbers on how many ppm(ppb?) per vax you actually get. I mean if that's your justification for being an idiot than anti-vaxxers have bigger concerns like plastic, hygiene products, household cleaners.. I'm only pro-choice because I believe giving the government agency to forcefully inject us sets a precedent that has a lot of potential abuse.

People should be concerned about dangerous ingredients in ALL products, not just vaccines. That, we agree on.

0.5 parts per ppb of mercury kills human neuroblastoma cells.

2 ppb of mercury is the "safe" limit in drinking water.

20 ppb of mercury destroys neurite membrane structures.

200 ppb of mercury in liquid waste renders it a "toxic hazard."

25,000 ppb of mercury is found in infant flu & Hepatitis B vaccines.

50,000 ppb of mercury is found in child and adult flu, multi-dose DTap, meningococcal, tetanus and Haemophilus B vacciness.

Even thimerisol-free vaccines contain "trace amounts" which, according to the CDC, are less than or equal to 0.3 mcg per dose, which equals 600 ppb. How is that "thimerisol-free"?

You do the math.

I guess it's better to convince the sheep that they want/need to be poisoned than to poison them without their knowledge, consent or against their will. Less backlash that way, right?

Falling into naturopath lies and fear mongering definitely makes you less of a sheep.

It's not fear mongering or a lie if it's true. And you just like to argue and disagree with everything to get your shits and giggles, so just give it a rest already. It's getting old.

Thank you for the wisdom.

I'm sorry that you view it like that. I'm genuinely passionate about the safety of current mainstream vaccines because of the great deal of harm that the misinformation from propagandist mommy blogs causes. Feel free to dismiss the other side because of some ad hominem bull**** I guess.

Anti-vaxxers know nothing about history

Frown I actually admire you for trying to be civil about it

But they are not safe, and you don't seem to care about that, so . . .

If you call the CDC a mommy blog, then I can't take you seriously.

If I showed you a meme about how safe they are, would that convince you?

On second thought, I'm not giving this discussion the level of seriousness that it deserves. I've got an event that I gotta look sharp for tonight that I'm headed out to soon but tomorrow I'll respond to the posts that you've made in this thread with a scientific and civil perspective with no snark. Just facts and citations. I will say that you have some half truths in the mix, where it's not technically incorrect but it's presented dishonestly.

Please send a PM if I don't post it by Monday.

The CDC is pro-immunization/pro-vaccine

Nothing

NOTHING is completely safe -

So you agree with this then.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/co...sal/index.html

I guess there was just a miscommunication, my bad.

Since 1988, the total compensation paid through the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program is approximately $3.9 billion.

Or if you keep scrolling on that same site:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/co...l/faqs.html#4A

Childhood vaccines.

Your fact here is either outdated or misinformation. In any case, you should discontinue touting it since it is disproved by a source that you apprently consider to be reliable.

"Safe" products don't cause $130,000,000/year in damages to their consumers.

Yes they do. Lawyers are hawks and our legal system is broken. Weak appeal to authority my dude.

Yes. All of the parents who have had their children crippled or killed by vaccines are clearly just milking the system.

You wanna talk about crippled or killed children? Boy are you in for a doozy.

I have a sheeple friend who always say "YOU SHOULDNT LOOK AT THE INGREDIENTS WHEN YOU EAT SOMETHING" .. Ya OK.... I want crap like MSG and aspertame,etc........ I LOOK AT THE INGREDIENTS IN EVERYTHING!!!!

You have to these days!!

*cue froundland's polio death statistics*

I'm sorry if this was covered in earlier discussion but one example is that infants are very susceptible to whooping cough but can't accept the vaccine until they're older. Older kids who get whooping cough can fight it off pretty well. Infants can't. Those kids who spread their whooping cough wouldn't if they were vaccinated for it.

This isn't supposed to be a "checkmate" type response because that'll only breed more denial and arguments but it's one example. Here's a nice video of a baby with whooping cough to help...

I see where you're coming from. That is a valid concern. But people who have been vaccinated against an illness can still be susceptible to getting and spreading it. Vaccines do not guarantee immunity.

I'm not against vaccine theory, just against the dangerous ingredients/adjuvants in some vaccines, such as aluminum, mercury/thimerisol/ethylmercury/methylmercury, formaldehyde, etc. As well as those that I object to on a philosophical level, like aborted human fetal tissue [though replacing human issue with animal tissue to create "ethical" versions doesn't seem safe to me either].

There are safe ways to vaccinate that don't include dangerous ingredients [besides the virus itself]. Creating vaccines with dangerous adjuvants is irresponsible and unnecessary. Small doses of viruses have been used to create responses in the immune system and foment immunity for centuries, without the use of dangerous adjuvants.

And people who let themselves be infected with a vaccine CAN SPREAD IT ALSO!!!!!

The FLU in my opinion gets spread MUCH MORE thru vaccine use than it does thru the air!!

YES, the Flu Shot Will Make You Spread the Flu… Fact checking TIME Mag – The Wild Doc

This is why I say just use force and vaccinate everyone

No amount reasoning works

https://www.marchofdimes.org/glue/im...in_polio_4.png

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/meas...?cb=1306275611

https://carrington.edu/wp-content/up...ox-770x392.png

http://exhibits.hsl.virginia.edu/his...entucky_TB.jpg

Two choices:

A) Get vaccinated
B) Get vaccinated

Governments using force against their citizens always works out well for all parties involved [/sarcasm]

Effective vaccines CAN be created WITHOUT mercury and aluminum and formaldehyde. To do otherwise is just irresponsible and hinders the validity of vaccination, because it creates unnecessary problems! Just make a clean vaccine! Say it with me!

Clean Vaccine!

CLEAN VACCINE!

CLEAN VACCINE!

CLEAN VACCINE!

CLEAN VACCINE!

CLEAN VACCINE!

Merit

You don’t know ****ing **** about medicine

**** your opinion

I don’t either but that’s why I turn to the consensus of the medical community

Not conspiracy theorist nut jobs

https://media.giphy.com/media/Ch6IF908pDP5C/giphy.gif

Enjoy your Kool-Aid

You don’t know how this works either

https://wamfitandwell.files.wordpres...06/vaccine.jpg

Why don't you fill it with some Windex and give us a demonstration then.

OH isn't wrong. IF those chemicals are necessary for the vaccine than it shouldn't matter. Obviously, if they are unnecessary we should be demanding they are taken out, but that is a separate issue from if you should or shouldn't get vaccinated.

Did you watch the "10 Americans" video I posted?

Is it really a separate issue? That's asking if the safety of one is more important than the [perceived] safety of the whole, and vise versa. And that's one big ball of yarn to unwind.

I don't recall. Can you please link me up?

Yes, it really is because by your reasoning we'd have to restructure almost all chemical products and medicine we use and if we made an effort to change those things vaccines would still be middle of the road priority based on risk. Chemistry and medicine are complicated, I doubt it's as easy as "just stop adding those harmful chemicals". Most businessmen don't like adding extra ingredients because it costs more to manufacture.

Edit: Ignoring the one versus many safety argument. The vaccines are still statistically less risky to the individual than the potential to contract/be harmed by the thing they protect you against, right?

Reminding everyone to chill and be civil.

Go back to your cave, troll!

Go rim some kaiju.

Exo!

"youtube videos" arent reliable, remember,down with vowels.