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View Poll Results: Is suicide cowardly?
Yes 39 20.74%
No 79 42.02%
Sometimes, depends on the circumstances (kids etc.) 70 37.23%
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Old 02-23-2015, 02:49 PM   #701 (permalink)
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The only time suicide isn't a choice is when someone with a mental illness does it when they otherwise wouldn't have.
that still seems like a choice to me.

i dunno why having a mental illness renders it not a choice. that's like saying drunk driving isn't a choice cause at the time of the decision to drive their cognitive skills were impaired.

also i don't get why the argument about whether or not it's cowardly is centered around whether or not it's a choice. it could be a choice and still not be cowardly. for example those gangster pics i posted before.

in conclusion: this whole argument seems emotionally driven by the conflicting urges to dissuade suicide and to comfort suicidals
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Old 02-23-2015, 02:53 PM   #702 (permalink)
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brah have you ever even psychologized
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Old 02-23-2015, 03:08 PM   #703 (permalink)
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Every single time I mentioned depression I said "for example".

Do you know what the term "for example" means? Do I need to explain that to you also? Are you grammatically ignorant as well?
My point was made against your claim that suicide is never a decision, your 'important grammatical cues' that you think you're so great at implementing still paints depression as a singular thing, which is why I made my snarky little comment. If you don't want people arguing semantics don't express your opinions in such a poorly worded manner.

Also there's this rare event that occurs sometimes where people debate without directly insulting them, you might want to look into that.

And for your pleasure, a straw man argument is a fallacy where you depict your opponent's opinion as something entirely different and claiming that's what they're actually saying and attacking that instead of the actual argument put forward. You might want to check out fallacies on the whole, they seem to be a favourite of yours.
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Old 02-23-2015, 03:11 PM   #704 (permalink)
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This post is too moronic to address tbh

EDIT: **** it i'll bite.

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My point was made against your claim that suicide is never a decision, your 'important grammatical cues' that you think you're so great at implementing still paints depression as a singular thing,
Where, specifically. More straw man.

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If you don't want people arguing semantics don't express your opinions in such a poorly worded manner.
Backpedaling. Didn't read my simply worded post carefully enough. Pretending that my post was poorly worded when it wasn't in any way verbose or difficult to understand.

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Also there's this rare event that occurs sometimes where people debate without directly insulting them, you might want to look into that.
Hypocrisy.

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That's what you did. The point that you said I made isn't the point that I made, not even close. So yeah, you did that.

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This post is too moronic to address tbh
See point two. It's a debate, people disagree with you but instead of joining in on the conversation all I'm hearing is 'way, quit attacking me!'
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'way, quit attacking me!'
You sure do have a lot of difficulty with comprehension.
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I forgot to add "you're stupid, why aren't you as smart as I think I am?"
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In everyone else's case it had nothing to do with stupidity -- rather ignorance, but you, no.. You're definitely a moron.
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Where, specifically. More straw man.
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When someone commits suicide, it means that their depression (for example) killed them. Depression isn't a personality trait. When someone commits suicide, they are not experiencing rational thought. The pain of existence is so overwhelming that in a knee jerk reaction, they end it.
Not what you meant? Please clarify then.

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Backpedaling. Didn't read my simply worded post carefully enough. Pretending that my post was poorly worded when it wasn't in any way verbose or difficult to understand.
If my impression of what you meant conflicts with what you actually meant that means you expressed your opinions poorly.

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That's what you did. The point that you said I made isn't the point that I made, not even close. So yeah, you did that.
As mentioned above it's probably because I misunderstood what you were saying. Could you clarify for us simpletons? It'd be a lot more constructive than resorting to petty attacks. Doesn't change the fact that it's exactly what you did.

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In everyone else's case it had nothing to do with stupidity -- rather ignorance, but you, no.. You're definitely a moron.
I'd appreciate it if you at least attempted not being a dick.
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Not what you meant? Please clarify then.
What I meant is what I said -- that suicide is when mental illness kills someone, depression as an example. You're reading into subtext that isn't there. Reading into non existent subtext literally has nothing to do with my ability to express a point. I think you need to go back to the 7th grade and have a teacher address, very slowly, critical thinking and reading comprehension. I know our school system is ****, but come on.

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If my impression of what you meant conflicts with what you actually meant that means you expressed your opinions poorly.
Nice generalization. Absolutely no logic made in this point whatsoever. Sweeping generalization. It's not my fault that you missed the point.


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As mentioned above it's probably because I misunderstood what you were saying. Could you clarify for us simpletons? It'd be a lot more constructive than resorting to petty attacks. Doesn't change the fact that it's exactly what you did.
Already did.

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I'd appreciate it if you at least attempted not being a dick.
Hypocrisy under the guise of satire.
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