JustJunMC

There are numerous names, and PTSD is one of the issues I was getting at, but the layman's term is "went through some BS, & feelin sad"

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Forward To Death

suicide isn't a healthy solution to anything, but that has nothing to do with your sanity.

Your coping mechanisms being overwhelmed by stress has nothing to do with mental illness, mental illness means that you have a legitimate psychological issue that needs attention. Both overwhelming stress and mental illness can play into suicide, and people kill themselves all the time without warning.

You're also failing to acknowledge drug use as a factor. I know it can be, whether you're high on opiates and think it'd be fun to die, or because your anti-depressants do the exact opposite of what they're supposed to do. Granted, that is an altered state of mind, but not necessarily a mentally ill state of mind.

And again, I don't think you get how twisted and delusional some people get. You can commit suicide because you're afraid of a reaction, shame or just knowing you'll be living in prison for 70 years. It doesn't even have to be brought out by insanity, but do you see how your argument works against itself? You're saying you have to be mentally ill if you committ suicide, and then you're saying that doing it to be a coward is too irrational.

Rjinn

Having a mental illness doesn't necessarily mean you're insane. Psychology isn't an exact science, so it isn't credible narrowing it down to just sanity.

I'm talking about cases where sufferers can't cope with mental distress. Stress here prolonged very well becoming a pattern is a sign of mental illness. Especially if you don't understand how to cope with it or have anything to use, it becomes worse and very well can lead into dangerous and reckless situations without the ability to think clearly. Stress is unhealthy for the brain, that's my point.

Fair enough. Anything can happen when you're on drugs considering mental intoxication where being rational becomes further and further out of the picture. But really I thought that was obvious enough tbh and I think that's a whole different subject being an outside influence.

I don't see how that rules out mental illness? Delusions are caused by an excess of dopamines in the brain.

That still doesn't rule it out. You're not considering the possibility of depression and anxiety behind it. Again, mental illnesses aren't necessarily about insanity.

I'm not following you here. I was pointing out that it's a lot more complicated than simply using cowardice reasonably to justify suicide.

I'm approaching psychology in a broader scope and it seems like there maybe a misunderstanding by narrowing it way too down.

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Scarlett O'Hara

Actually it's Post Traumatic Stress Disorder that people get after trauma not depression.

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JustJunMC

LMAO

I swear, I could write "Rain is made of water and is H20" and you would figure out a way to try to argue with me LMAO

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Sansa Stark

No, she's right.

Scarlett O'Hara

You are trying too hard Just.

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Newkie

Generally speaking I do think there are elements of selfishness in suicide. At the end of the day though I have no real issue with euthanasia so I guess I think of it as situational.

Sounds a bit morbid, but I was always kind of fascinated about the suicides in Bridgend which is a town in South Wales fairly close to me and the way in which the media jumped on it. I think there were some 25 suicides over two years and all but 1 hung themselves. It led to a media frenzy and after the first few deaths the country became quite obsessed with the "Broken Britain" ex mining town, high unemployment, poor education system theme, most of which was untrue, but it was during the media scrutiny that more people killed themselves. Some of those that killed themselves actually had pretty long histories of mental conditions and self harm attempts, which the local health authorities admitted they couldn't deal with and so sort of "left them to it" as they were deemed a drain on resources.

Now, labelling people like that as cowards is wrong imo.

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Rice

It is a mental illness.. yes.

I think in many cases it can be seen as selfish. I know it's a difficult thing, but their taking the easy way out, and leaving friends and family to suffer with the pain and loss.

A friend I was at University with killed himself, and I felt t=so angry with him about it. I never understood why people said they felt angry - then I understood pain and clear.

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