Depression and suicide

Arya Stark · 08-09-2010, 11:44 PM

Somebody once told me it was selfish.
By not thinking of the pain, money, and horrible nightmares it will cause their loved ones.

It made me think twice, cause I was pretty depressed at the time.
I don't know how I feel about the whole situation now.

RVCA · 08-10-2010, 12:13 AM

Sorry to everyone who has ever been depressed :-(

Arya Stark · 08-10-2010, 01:52 AM

Don't apologize. Sometimes there's just nothing anyone can do.

Aside from that, people are depressed for different reasons.
Everyone reacts to situations differently, so I don't think it's fair to judge someone's emotions.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 08-10-2010, 02:13 AM

I think there's a lot of things people can do, for one mental illness is so stigmatised it makes anyone with a legit one scared/unable to get help. It's disgusting, people treat it's like a joke when it's a ****ing terrible thing when it goes untreated and it's hell to live with. It may sound ridiculous saying this, but I'm kind of glad I'm type 1 bipolar, I don't have depressive episodes so much, because they are ****ing hell.

Arya Stark · 08-10-2010, 02:35 AM

It seems like a weird thing to say, but I completely understand.

Landon · 08-11-2010, 08:59 AM

I can understand how people in absolutely desperate situations feel like it's their only option like people who are struggling to provide for their family or being bullied everyday etc. But you see 16 year old kids killing themselves because they split up with their boyfriend/girlfriend and the like which I find incredibly selfish. Especially when you see their parents or siblings, who have the deal with the devastation for the rest of their lives.

Pomegrant · 08-11-2010, 09:11 AM

I had a professor explain to me that when he was in college he had a girl friend and they were serious and what not. At some point her mood started to change and she was getting extremely depressed and showed all the signs of it. At some point she tried to commit suicide in some awful way. Then she was placed into an intensive care type thing where she tried to kill herself all the time. Point is that he said that it would have been selfish of himself to believe that his agony of her being dead would be worse than her agony of living.

It is our societal perception that killing yourself is cowardly for some reason.

Chainsawkitten · 08-14-2010, 02:35 AM

Back when I was seriously depressed and contemplated suicide I had very low self-esteem and deemed myself useless. I honestly believed that my friends and family would be better off without me, that I would actually be doing them a favor. Sure, they'd be depressed at first, for quite a while at that, but in the long run they'd do better without me. I wouldn't call that selfish.

Of course it was nothing but a delusion but in by desperate condition I was willing to believe anything that could make my actions seem more justified. A selfish thing perhaps, but not really a concious choice.

Thank Vishnu/God/whatever deity you do or don't believe in, I didn't do it.

Guybrush · 08-14-2010, 03:01 AM

Although I haven't personally suffered from depression - and although I know depression is horrible also in that it pacifies many people and make them less able to deal with their problems, we do have stuff like prozac now. One of my friends was getting happy pills because he was depressed and the idea was that it would make him feel better and also help him tackle the causes of his depression psychologically so that he could come off the medication and be okay. As far as I know, he's no longer depressed and he's no longer on medication.

Surely, even if you are depressed and don't care so much about your well being, wouldn't you still be dimly aware that there are treatments you can try that can change the way you feel completely before you try the terminal solution?

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 08-14-2010, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

Although I haven't personally suffered from depression - and although I know depression is horrible also in that it pacifies many people and make them less able to deal with their problems, we do have stuff like prozac now. One of my friends was getting happy pills because he was depressed and the idea was that it would make him feel better and also help him tackle the causes of his depression psychologically so that he could come off the medication and be okay. As far as I know, he's no longer depressed and he's no longer on medication.

Surely, even if you are depressed and don't care so much about your well being, wouldn't you still be dimly aware that there are treatments you can try that can change the way you feel completely before you try the terminal solution?

No way! I didn't even know I was depressed until people actually pointed it out to me, including a counselor. I was so embarrassed and it took me a long time to acknowledge it, let alone deal with it. When I was depressed the last thing I was thinking of was a rational though such as, " oh medication will be what I need, or maybe I should talk to a professional?". The thoughts I was thinking was, "would I die if I overdosed on codeine and sleeping pills?". "when will I stop being such a loser and get out of bed","why am I not normal like everyone else", "I hate feeling like this!", "everyone is judging me and must thinking I'm faking being sick and am unreliable".

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08-11-2010, 09:11 AM	#37 (permalink)
Pomegrant Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Jersey Posts: 89	I had a professor explain to me that when he was in college he had a girl friend and they were serious and what not. At some point her mood started to change and she was getting extremely depressed and showed all the signs of it. At some point she tried to commit suicide in some awful way. Then she was placed into an intensive care type thing where she tried to kill herself all the time. Point is that he said that it would have been selfish of himself to believe that his agony of her being dead would be worse than her agony of living. It is our societal perception that killing yourself is cowardly for some reason. __________________ http://www.last.fm/user/seguxdrebkoi

08-14-2010, 03:01 AM	#39 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	Although I haven't personally suffered from depression - and although I know depression is horrible also in that it pacifies many people and make them less able to deal with their problems, we do have stuff like prozac now. One of my friends was getting happy pills because he was depressed and the idea was that it would make him feel better and also help him tackle the causes of his depression psychologically so that he could come off the medication and be okay. As far as I know, he's no longer depressed and he's no longer on medication. Surely, even if you are depressed and don't care so much about your well being, wouldn't you still be dimly aware that there are treatments you can try that can change the way you feel completely before you try the terminal solution? __________________ Something Completely Different

08-10-2010, 12:13 AM	#32 (permalink)
RVCA （￣ー￣） Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,270	Sorry to everyone who has ever been depressed :-(

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~~Sansa Stark~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: The Eyrie, Vale of Arryn, Westeros Posts: 3,234	I think there's a lot of things people can do, for one mental illness is so stigmatised it makes anyone with a legit one scared/unable to get help. It's disgusting, people treat it's like a joke when it's a **ing terrible thing when it goes untreated and it's hell to live with. It may sound ridiculous saying this, but I'm kind of glad I'm type 1 bipolar, I don't have depressive episodes so much, because they are **ing hell.

08-11-2010, 08:59 AM	#36 (permalink)
Landon Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: The Emerald Isle Posts: 145	I can understand how people in absolutely desperate situations feel like it's their only option like people who are struggling to provide for their family or being bullied everyday etc. But you see 16 year old kids killing themselves because they split up with their boyfriend/girlfriend and the like which I find incredibly selfish. Especially when you see their parents or siblings, who have the deal with the devastation for the rest of their lives.

08-14-2010, 02:35 AM	#38 (permalink)
Chainsawkitten Groupie Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 42	Back when I was seriously depressed and contemplated suicide I had very low self-esteem and deemed myself useless. I honestly believed that my friends and family would be better off without me, that I would actually be doing them a favor. Sure, they'd be depressed at first, for quite a while at that, but in the long run they'd do better without me. I wouldn't call that selfish. Of course it was nothing but a delusion but in by desperate condition I was willing to believe anything that could make my actions seem more justified. A selfish thing perhaps, but not really a concious choice. Thank Vishnu/God/whatever deity you do or don't believe in, I didn't do it.