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Not much, honestly, I have to go to work in a bit, and first I'm seeing a friend for lunch.

whats for lunch?
yeah most of my caseload that i have are severly depressed recovering addicts. the gauntlet runs from physical illness to TPR (termination of parental rights) to death of loved ones from heroin etc. but somehow these patients do NOT commit suicide.
maybe living through skitt helps one cope.i mean, thats life experience. i just dont have much respect for suicidal people, since most are cries for help. people should just get help instead of scaring their loved ones.

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1035028)

To call something selfish is to imply that one's own interests are considered alone, however, depression being a mental illness, you can't bring any thought or logic into it. You simply can't claim thoughtlessness to a person who can't think normally. You can't ascribe any logical or decisive adjectives to an illness of that nature.

This.

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Originally Posted by pooka (Post 1035029)

^having worked with the mentally ill i kind of think this statement is wrong. most mentally ill patients are quite coherent on what they are doing and what they want.

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Originally Posted by pooka (Post 1035031)

im not going to battle this its not worth it, so think what you would like. i was just making a passing observation.

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Originally Posted by pooka (Post 1035056)

nah maybe i will battle a bit its a slow day.

i worked on the dual dignosis unit of WPIC in pittsburgh for two years. for noobs dual diagnosis is drug addicts with mental health issues. now these patients did bizarre skitt every hour, such as throw chairs, somehow barricade themselves in rooms, the whole 9 yards. i went into this job thinking "wtf? these people are crazy." but in all actuality the skitt they did stemmed from a reasonable reason. the chairthrower was mad because the staff disrepected her, the barricader wanted to go home. these is simple outbursts, i could name a thousand that are outrageous, yet still have a basis in rationality.

i like how you assume i dont know what im speaking of but thats ok.

I'm going to call bull**** on you again. I don't believe for a second you are a mental health professional, otherwise you would not generalise so much. Dual diagnosis? Rly, you mean comorbidity? You are aware of that drug abuse is often cheek to cheek with mental illness? It's called "self medicating". People with mental illness may know what they are doing but obviously would not realise that their thoughts are irrational, but you're basically implying that they have control over it? No, I don't think so.

And I don't think I can rationalise throwing a chair at someone over a (probably) perceived disrespect.

you know what? you make me laugh. if you dont know the phrase dual diagnosis you shouldnt talk to me.
of course you cant rationalize it you obviously dont work in any field i speak of.

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Originally Posted by pooka (Post 1035070)

Beef dip. Hot chocolate.

Probably the fact that these people are actively in help working with specialists prevents them from resorting to suicide. It's a different story for people who don't have that medical advantage.

well ill blame that one on social healthcare for now ped.

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Originally Posted by pooka (Post 1035074)

you know what? you make me laugh. if you dont know the phrase dual diagnosis you shouldnt talk to me.
of course you cant rationalize it you obviously dont work in any field i speak of.

No, I just happen to have a mental illness and a drug addiction. If you really are a mental health professional, you really need to sort out your priorities if you're so willing to be an enabler to irrational behaviour.

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Originally Posted by pooka (Post 1035076)

well ill blame that one on social healthcare for now ped.

Blame it on social healthcare? I don't understand. In Canada, social healthcare allows people to seek medical help when they require it. More what I was thinking was that these other victims don't know how to seek this help, can't justify doing so, or see something shameful in it.

ok kid, what would you like me to say? oh i know, let me get real indepth about the subject of drug counseling on a music forum. i have a profession i do that in 5 days a week. im sorry to hear of your problem and i hope you are seeking help for it.
i was a heroin addict for 8 years and have 8 clean, and im in my field because people do need help.
i freely welcome you to pm me anytime in confidentiality. then maybe youll stop this bullskitt parade.

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1035079)

thats universal healthcare sweets. and its disgusting how people all over the world are stigmatized for trying to seek help.