Depression and suicide

s_k · 04-11-2011, 05:53 AM

I can assure you that as soon as you're down in the gutter enough, the only thing you feel is sadness. You don't feel like you're worth anything for other people. It doesn't matter anymore. It's definitely not egoistic and I can assure you that you hure a lot of people by saying that. You just don't know mate

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~~Dirty~~ · 04-11-2011, 05:59 AM

s_k I'm really getting fed up with your condescending attitude that you have sometimes, whether you try to do it or not. This isn't the first time you've laid out the "you're ignorant and eventually you'll figure it out!

" vibe.

If you have kids or a spouse or something, it doesn't matter if all you feel is sadness. You have taken on a responsibility to those people and you are breaking that responsibility by offing yourself. I can't even think of anything more cowardly at the moment. When you are at the point in life where you want to kill yourself, a real man acknowledges he needs help. A real man faces his problems and issues and moves past them. A real man doesn't take the coward way out and kill himself. No matter how depressed you are, you still realize deep down the affect it is gonna have on other people.

s_k · 04-11-2011, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

s_k I'm really getting fed up with your condescending attitude that you have sometimes, whether you try to do it or not. This isn't the first time you've laid out the "you're ignorant and eventually you'll figure it out!

" vibe.

Well I sure as hell hope you'll never figure it out.
I just think you're being to harsh about something you (as I can indeed tell from your posting) luckily don't have experience with.

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If you have kids or a spouse or something, it doesn't matter if all you feel is sadness. No matter how depressed you are, you still realize deep down the affect it is gonna have on other people.

How can you say this? I mean, how do you know this? You write it down like it's a given fact, but have you ever felt anything similar?

~~Dirty~~ · 04-11-2011, 07:16 AM

So you think that someone who is depressed can't realize the impact of their own death? I don't buy that for a second. Why wouldn't you be able to realize that? Even if your depression completely consumes you and you spend all day thinking of killing yourself, I don't think you would completely forget about your wife and kids. Why do so many suicide notes have apologies to relatives and family followed by "its just too hard" or something along those lines? I'm not someone who lets someone else hide behind their depression and let that excuse them from their irresponsible, cowardly behavior. So s_k, you don't think it is cowardly for a man to kill himself and leave behind a couple kids and a wife? Then what do you call it, normal? Acceptable? It's cowardly, period. And none of us here have committed suicide obviously so lets not pretend anyone who has been depressed knows what a suicide coward is going through mentally. Cause even if you were super depressed, you didn't go as far as to actually kill yourself. I do feel bad for people who resort to suicide, but I'm just as much disgusted by them when they leave behind people who needed them.

Mr November · 04-11-2011, 07:47 AM

But if they went to war and died defending Amurika, and left a wife and kids behind, they would be patriotic heros.

ThePhanastasio · 04-11-2011, 08:36 AM

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And none of us here have committed suicide obviously so lets not pretend anyone who has been depressed knows what a suicide coward is going through mentally. Cause even if you were super depressed, you didn't go as far as to actually kill yourself.

I've attempted before, and barely managed to pull through that one. So I'm pretty sure I know what it's like. All-consuming depression is really not something that feels as though it can be dealt with when you're going through it.

The very act of opening my eyes when I woke up in the morning was enough to make me feel completely disgusted. And people who are super depressed aren't just sad - they're overall unpleasant to be around, and push people away. When I was depressed, I was completely pushing everyone around me away, like I was trying to punish them for caring, and then eventually, they just stopped trying to help because I was being so horrible.

At that point, when everyone else was gone, and I was just alone with myself...it had nothing to do with anyone else. There was no one else around. It was just me, and the very thought of myself, of life, and everything completely turned my stomach. I had no motivation to do anything. I didn't want to eat, sleep, wake up, shower, or do anything I loved anymore. The thought of getting help didn't even cross my mind, because my all-encompassing feelings were that I needed to be out of the world. I couldn't feasibly see that my being there was making things any better, or that my absence would make things any worse.

I still struggle with depression as a part of having Bipolar Disorder, but it's more under control now. I take vitamins for health, and spend time in the sun reaping the benefits of UV rays. I also jog and exercise quite a bit...and although I seldom go, I have the number of my therapist on speed dial.

Depression really is a serious issue. It's not just being sad, and suicide doesn't imply cowardice in the sense that was suggested.

Howard the Duck · 04-11-2011, 08:42 AM

i don't really think it is "cowardly" - it takes a fair degree of guts to off yourself

i just don't want to end up in the "suicide woods" in Hell

djchameleon · 04-11-2011, 10:02 AM

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Just to but in here and drop an opinion without doing any other reading in the thread (at least I'm honest)

I don't think you can call suicide cowardly. I don't even think you can call it selfish. It depends on the circumstances, but in most situations you're talking about someone who has a mental disorder. Suicide hurts lots of people, not just the person who commits it. Despite this, in the mindset of a depressed suicide victim, it's not giving up, it's escape. And I think that's an important difference.

I agree with some of the points Dirty made but not all of them. Suicide is cowardly AND selfish. Most people that attempt suicide and fail is because they were too much of a coward to do it the right way and off their selves. The people that constantly talk about suicide and keep threatening to do it are also cowardly and just crying out for help. If someone wanted to really commit suicide they would plot out all of the details in there head so there is no way that they can fail and to not set off any alarms so that someone could stop them. They pretend to be happy/normal around people so that they can get it over and done with, without having someone interrupt their process.

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I don't believe that suicide is cowardly. You could shoot yourself and live, being disfigured for the rest of your life. You could hang yourself and have someone cut you down halfway through, leaving you a braindead vegetable. Most methods of suicide have atleast some risk of failure involved. It takes some guts to end your own life. If someone is considering suicide, people calling them a coward would only help to push them over the edge.

the act of suicide is pretty ballsy but most people that attempt are cowards and haven't thought it through so that's why they fail. If they really want to kill themselves they would come up with the best solution to do it and work through all of the scenarios in their head so that it doesn't fail at all.

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I don't believe for a second that nobody thinks about it. And for those who don't, they are idiots. Why wouldn't you think of the negative impact your own suicide could have on others? I mean whether they do think about it or not isn't really that important I guess. At the end of the day, they are still pure cowards killing themselves and leaving people they love to have to pick up all the pieces

When people are depressed and suicidal they become very selfish and only think of themselves. Woe is me? why doesn't anyone care? why should I even bother? If I go it's not like anyone is going to care? blah blah blah...loads of whining and being super selfish.

They don't stop to think about their wife or kids or anyone else for that matter. it's all about ME ME ME.

~~pooka~~ · 04-11-2011, 10:04 AM

i like being depressed. when i hit rock bottom i always ask for a shovel so i can dig myself an even deeper hole.

CanwllCorfe · 04-11-2011, 10:19 AM

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They don't stop to think about their wife or kids or anyone else for that matter. it's all about ME ME ME.

Did you hear about the fisherman who killed himself after the BP oil spill? In situations like that, it could very well be that they're distraught over the very fact that they feel they can't provide for their family anymore. That they can't really do much of anything else, it's just a dead end. I love how ignorant your statement is!

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04-11-2011, 05:53 AM	#271 (permalink)
s_k Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,206	I can assure you that as soon as you're down in the gutter enough, the only thing you feel is sadness. You don't feel like you're worth anything for other people. It doesn't matter anymore. It's definitely not egoistic and I can assure you that you hure a lot of people by saying that. You just don't know mate . __________________ Click here to see my collection

04-11-2011, 05:59 AM	#272 (permalink)
~~Dirty~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: USA Posts: 981	s_k I'm really getting fed up with your condescending attitude that you have sometimes, whether you try to do it or not. This isn't the first time you've laid out the "you're ignorant and eventually you'll figure it out! " vibe. If you have kids or a spouse or something, it doesn't matter if all you feel is sadness. You have taken on a responsibility to those people and you are breaking that responsibility by offing yourself. I can't even think of anything more cowardly at the moment. When you are at the point in life where you want to kill yourself, a real man acknowledges he needs help. A real man faces his problems and issues and moves past them. A real man doesn't take the coward way out and kill himself. No matter how depressed you are, you still realize deep down the affect it is gonna have on other people.

04-11-2011, 07:16 AM	#274 (permalink)
~~Dirty~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: USA Posts: 981	So you think that someone who is depressed can't realize the impact of their own death? I don't buy that for a second. Why wouldn't you be able to realize that? Even if your depression completely consumes you and you spend all day thinking of killing yourself, I don't think you would completely forget about your wife and kids. Why do so many suicide notes have apologies to relatives and family followed by "its just too hard" or something along those lines? I'm not someone who lets someone else hide behind their depression and let that excuse them from their irresponsible, cowardly behavior. So s_k, you don't think it is cowardly for a man to kill himself and leave behind a couple kids and a wife? Then what do you call it, normal? Acceptable? It's cowardly, period. And none of us here have committed suicide obviously so lets not pretend anyone who has been depressed knows what a suicide coward is going through mentally. Cause even if you were super depressed, you didn't go as far as to actually kill yourself. I do feel bad for people who resort to suicide, but I'm just as much disgusted by them when they leave behind people who needed them.

04-11-2011, 07:47 AM	#275 (permalink)
Mr November Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Halifax, Canada Posts: 429	But if they went to war and died defending Amurika, and left a wife and kids behind, they would be patriotic heros.

04-11-2011, 08:42 AM	#277 (permalink)
Howard the Duck Live by the Sword Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 9,075	i don't really think it is "cowardly" - it takes a fair degree of guts to off yourself i just don't want to end up in the "suicide woods" in Hell

04-11-2011, 10:04 AM	#279 (permalink)
~~pooka~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: the local county jail Posts: 133	i like being depressed. when i hit rock bottom i always ask for a shovel so i can dig myself an even deeper hole.