Depression and suicide

TheBig3 · 08-28-2010, 01:46 PM

I don't know how old you could possibly be. We had home economics in middle school for half the year, and the other half was woodshop.

music_phantom13 · 08-29-2010, 05:40 PM

I'm a little surprised at the results, I don't see how suicide can be considered not selfish. You're ending your life here on earth for whatever reason, and doing it solely for yourself. The only situation I could imagine it not being a selfish gesture would be doing it for someone else when you think your situation is horrible enough that it will never get better and you can help someone else (for example, sometimes people do it for life insurance, and that's definitely not a selfish reason). But I still voted yes, because 99% of the time you're doing it because other people are being hurt by a decision you make that effects many people in a bad way. I'm not trying to downplay how bad depression can be, or say people that commit suicide are weak or cowardly and I've been effected like many of you I'm sure. As for the disease argument, I'd make the same statement about alcoholism ad drug addiction. Yes it's a disease, but millions of people have conquered it before. If your an alcoholic or drug addict and you drink or do drugs instead of paying attention to your children, for example, regardless of how difficult it is not to you're making a selfish decision to go the easier route.

Davey Moore · 08-31-2010, 12:37 AM

Well, I don't know if people here would think I'd be a coward, and to a certain extent I really don't give a **** about what people here think of it, especially if they don't have clinical depression, but the only reason I HAVEN'T committed suicide is because of my family. I would never do that to them.

It doesn't help the depression though, and the medicine never helped either. So it's really ****ty living in the state I live in. I've gone to so much therapy, have had so many anti-depressants shoved down my throat, and they usually have a three or four month honeymoon period before it creeps back into my skull, regardless of what I take.

But the thought of living like this for forty or fifty years is terrifying and even more depressing. But I'll keep on for a while.

Davey Moore · 08-31-2010, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bungalow

so how is it not selfish to say "fuck them?" there are other ways to deal with mental disorders.

Also, it's not a case of "fuck them" it's more of a case of "I'm so sorry, but I just can't summon the will to care more about them finding me, than about this thing inside my head, when most of my days are terrible and painful, and looking at myself, I can't see why any of them would even love me in the first place when I so thoroughly believe how much of a worthless piece of shit I am."

Nobody can be as self-hating and selfish as a depressed person. They hate themselves but they mostly think about themselves.

It literally takes one second of not caring enough. It's like a surrender, not an active show of contempt for others feelings. At least that's how it would be for me.

midnight rain · 08-31-2010, 01:16 AM

I think this is a two-sided argument.

On one hand, it's selfish for the suicidal person to leave behind people who care about the person. On the other, it's kind of selfish for those who care to expect the person to stick around solely for their own benefit.

KMS · 08-31-2010, 10:05 PM

No, it's not cowardly. Checking out takes balls. It is very selfish in situations where you're leaving a mess behind for others, but everything we do, no matter how kind, if self motivated in some way to begin with.

I personally think that suicide is stupid unless you have to escape from an unbearable situation such as incurable, agonizing pain and suffering, or a life in prison sentence... anything that can be mentally conquered otherwise is a waste of a life if the person can't figure out how to solve the problem, especially if the person is intelligent and talented.

mr dave · 09-01-2010, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by KMS

I personally think that suicide is stupid unless you have to escape from an unbearable situation such as incurable, agonizing pain and suffering, or a life in prison sentence...

that bold part is BY FAR the LEAST tolerable excuse for suicide i've ever read. if you're being sent to prison for life you shouldn't have an option to circumvent facing the results of your actions. fock that.

TheCunningStunt · 09-01-2010, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by music_phantom13

I'm a little surprised at the results, I don't see how suicide can be considered not selfish. You're ending your life here on earth for whatever reason, and doing it solely for yourself.

Living for somebody elses benefit is hardly living, you're still fucking miserable. Your life, your right to end it. I think the poll is quite interesting though. I thought no would be the minority.

midnight rain · 09-01-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

that bold part is BY FAR the LEAST tolerable excuse for suicide i've ever read. if you're being sent to prison for life you shouldn't have an option to circumvent facing the results of your actions. fock that.

I don't think that was his point. He meant that for the person committing suicide's train of thought, killing yourself rather than spending life in prison is more desirable.

I think committing suicide is cowardly because it's for people too weak to either deal with problems in life that plenty of other people face or to get help.

KMS · 09-01-2010, 04:06 PM

^ Exactly that. Let's just say you were given a life in prison sentence and your choices are checking out early, or living that miserable experience for however long you remain in conscious existence. I'm a person that loves life and has never been depressed andnever has thought of suicide and I'd probably lean towards checking out, because all pleasure and positive experiences in life would be over anyway and I'd have no point of existing beyond likely being victimized repeatedly.

Justice from others point of view wouldn't be a deciding factor...

View Poll Results: Is suicide cowardly?
Yes	39	20.74%
No	79	42.02%
Sometimes, depends on the circumstances (kids etc.)	70	37.23%
Voters: 188. You may not vote on this poll

08-28-2010, 01:46 PM	#91 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	I don't know how old you could possibly be. We had home economics in middle school for half the year, and the other half was woodshop. __________________ I've moved to a new address

08-31-2010, 12:37 AM	#93 (permalink)
Davey Moore The Great Disappearer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: URI Campus and Coventry, both in RI Posts: 462	Well, I don't know if people here would think I'd be a coward, and to a certain extent I really don't give a ** about what people here think of it, especially if they don't have clinical depression, but the only reason I HAVEN'T committed suicide is because of my family. I would never do that to them. It doesn't help the depression though, and the medicine never helped either. So it's really **ty living in the state I live in. I've gone to so much therapy, have had so many anti-depressants shoved down my throat, and they usually have a three or four month honeymoon period before it creeps back into my skull, regardless of what I take. But the thought of living like this for forty or fifty years is terrifying and even more depressing. But I'll keep on for a while. __________________ The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.

08-29-2010, 05:40 PM	#92 (permalink)
music_phantom13 Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 942	I'm a little surprised at the results, I don't see how suicide can be considered not selfish. You're ending your life here on earth for whatever reason, and doing it solely for yourself. The only situation I could imagine it not being a selfish gesture would be doing it for someone else when you think your situation is horrible enough that it will never get better and you can help someone else (for example, sometimes people do it for life insurance, and that's definitely not a selfish reason). But I still voted yes, because 99% of the time you're doing it because other people are being hurt by a decision you make that effects many people in a bad way. I'm not trying to downplay how bad depression can be, or say people that commit suicide are weak or cowardly and I've been effected like many of you I'm sure. As for the disease argument, I'd make the same statement about alcoholism ad drug addiction. Yes it's a disease, but millions of people have conquered it before. If your an alcoholic or drug addict and you drink or do drugs instead of paying attention to your children, for example, regardless of how difficult it is not to you're making a selfish decision to go the easier route.

08-31-2010, 01:16 AM	#95 (permalink)
midnight rain Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,711	I think this is a two-sided argument. On one hand, it's selfish for the suicidal person to leave behind people who care about the person. On the other, it's kind of selfish for those who care to expect the person to stick around solely for their own benefit.

08-31-2010, 10:05 PM	#96 (permalink)
KMS Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 117	No, it's not cowardly. Checking out takes balls. It is very selfish in situations where you're leaving a mess behind for others, but everything we do, no matter how kind, if self motivated in some way to begin with. I personally think that suicide is stupid unless you have to escape from an unbearable situation such as incurable, agonizing pain and suffering, or a life in prison sentence... anything that can be mentally conquered otherwise is a waste of a life if the person can't figure out how to solve the problem, especially if the person is intelligent and talented.

09-01-2010, 04:06 PM	#100 (permalink)
KMS Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 117	^ Exactly that. Let's just say you were given a life in prison sentence and your choices are checking out early, or living that miserable experience for however long you remain in conscious existence. I'm a person that loves life and has never been depressed andnever has thought of suicide and I'd probably lean towards checking out, because all pleasure and positive experiences in life would be over anyway and I'd have no point of existing beyond likely being victimized repeatedly. Justice from others point of view wouldn't be a deciding factor...