Empowering or Degrading?

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 08-04-2010, 12:49 AM

I want to see what members here think of stripping and prostitution being considered both degrading to women as a gender or being empowering to a womans sexuality? Is prostitution a form of power woman have over men? The ability to seduce?

Would any female members here do any of the above? It can be in extraordinary circumstances also such as being in poverty.

Ok I know everyones cringing right now because Vege is going to write a novel, but to be honest I don't mind because I'm not 100% sure how she would take this situation as isn't be a feminist giving women the ability to do what every they want?

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 08-04-2010, 01:02 AM

****ing degrading imo, but I think feminism is about choice, so if they want to do it and feel empowered by it, I guess more power to them

boo boo · 08-04-2010, 02:58 AM

Degrading yes but it should be legal. Why illegalize paying for something that you can get for free legally? Isn't that capitalism?

It's simply providing consumer service, something that is in high demand and not effecting any non consenting party, to people who are willing to pay for it and can't get sex elsewhere. And everybody can use some sex, you can't expect every f*cking person to be able to have it any other way.

We use sex to sell all kinds of stuff so lets get off the high horse. There's no harm in the idea of prostituion, yes there are issues like STDs, abusive pimps and being forced to take addictive drugs but these are problems that have been enabled by prostituion being illegal. If it was legal and heavily regulated it wouldn't be as much of an issue.

mr dave · 08-04-2010, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Degrading yes but it should be legal. Why illegalize paying for something that you can get for free legally?

this doesn't make sense.

you don't get a random girl dancing her clothes off for you for free legally whenever you want, even when you're in a relationship. your significant other isn't just a collection of reactions to your actions. just because you can have sex with your partner doesn't mean you can **** them like a pornstar every time you feel like. it just doesn't work that way (it might, but then you'd be dealing with a wicked pile of crazy just waiting to explode on you).

as for the whole angle about documentaries showing 'strong', 'independent' women, how reflective of the industry do you people honestly think that is? really now. a documentary will focus on what, 2-3 women, ignoring the dozens of others in the background... i wonder, are they all up and coming med students just trying to pay their tuition? or are most of them broken little girls trying to come to terms with the abandonment issues from their youths?

i've actually worked for a company that started doing online porn hosting as a side job halfway through my time there. if that sample of 20 some odd girls was any indication of what kind of personalities end up in that situation i'd say you're lucky to find 1 out of 20 who can actually accomplish much of anything on their own. it's not that they're worthless people, not in the least, they deserve help, BUT they need to want it first, and most, are still waiting for the world to say it's sorry.

also, i've never EVER seen the kind of psychological control the queen bee exerted on her girls before or since, even on tv.

i honestly think the people trying to paint this behavior as somehow empowering or healthy are lying to themselves so they can feel better about wanting to participate in something they're able to recognize as destructive and counter productive without having to admit it to themselves. for all the 'empowerment' stripping might provide, it is completely and thoroughly overshadowed by the objectification it creates. to try arguing a social benefit to prostitution aside from a 'potential' decrease in STDs is even laughable.

also male prostitutes don't service female clients. they service other dudes. seriously, how clueless are you?

boo boo · 08-05-2010, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

this doesn't make sense.

you don't get a random girl dancing her clothes off for you for free legally whenever you want, even when you're in a relationship. your significant other isn't just a collection of reactions to your actions. just because you can have sex with your partner doesn't mean you can **** them like a pornstar every time you feel like. it just doesn't work that way (it might, but then you'd be dealing with a wicked pile of crazy just waiting to explode on you).

And these are good reasons why prostitution should be illegal because..............

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as for the whole angle about documentaries showing 'strong', 'independent' women, how reflective of the industry do you people honestly think that is? really now. a documentary will focus on what, 2-3 women, ignoring the dozens of others in the background... i wonder, are they all up and coming med students just trying to pay their tuition? or are most of them broken little girls trying to come to terms with the abandonment issues from their youths?

I'm not saying strippers are predominately one thing or another, like you do with your mind blowingly gross generalizations.

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i've actually worked for a company that started doing online porn hosting as a side job halfway through my time there. if that sample of 20 some odd girls was any indication of what kind of personalities end up in that situation i'd say you're lucky to find 1 out of 20 who can actually accomplish much of anything on their own. it's not that they're worthless people, not in the least, they deserve help, BUT they need to want it first, and most, are still waiting for the world to say it's sorry.

I wasn't even talking about porn stars but it's interesting how these stereotypes of being "broken down, self loathing" are only applied to the female porn stars while the male ones like Ron Jeremy are pop culture icons because they're just doing what every guy wants right?

You're probably right in that most porn star chicks are like that but you're only talking from subjective experience and not real statistics or anything. I'm saying it's wrong to apply the stereotype to EVERY woman with such an occupation. Not saying that many or even most of the women don't fit the stereotype.

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also, i've never EVER seen the kind of psychological control the queen bee exerted on her girls before or since, even on tv.

i honestly think the people trying to paint this behavior as somehow empowering or healthy are lying to themselves so they can feel better about wanting to participate in something they're able to recognize as destructive and counter productive without having to admit it to themselves. for all the 'empowerment' stripping might provide, it is completely and thoroughly overshadowed by the objectification it creates. to try arguing a social benefit to prostitution aside from a 'potential' decrease in STDs is even laughable.

I'm not painting it as empowering or healthy either but I'm not gonna say it can't be ever regardless of the type of person. Which is retarded to believe I think. It can be empowering to those that have no shame or guilt about it or don't find it degrading. I'm not denying that most women probably do find it degrading, because they have been conditioned to belief that sex is totally shameful and repulsive.

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also male prostitutes don't service female clients. they service other dudes. seriously, how clueless are you?

Oh f*cking please. You don't think ANY women seek out prostitutes? EVER?

YOU'RE ****ING DELUSIONAL!!! GET HELP NOW!!!

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 08-05-2010, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Oh f*cking please. You don't think ANY women seek out prostitutes? EVER?

YOU'RE ****ING DELUSIONAL!!! GET HELP NOW!!!

Compared to men seeking men, no. A girl could walk into a bar with legs open without paying for sex. No matter how butt ugly.

boo boo · 08-05-2010, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

Compared to men seeking men, no. A girl could walk into a bar with legs open without paying for sex. No matter how butt ugly.

I know it's much more common for men but to deny that some male prostitutes do service women is goddamn f*cking insane.

Mr. Dave clearly has a mental problem, he makes these crazy generalizations all the time and thinks the whole planet functions exactly how he experiences things personally. He's really f*cking crazy and a danger to other people, he should be locked away.

boo boo · 08-05-2010, 09:01 AM

Well lets see.....

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Originally Posted by mr dave

also male prostitutes don't service female clients. they service other dudes. seriously, how clueless are you?

Yeah I'm sure.

**Janszoon** · 08-05-2010, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Well lets see.....

Yeah I'm sure.

I think you're taking that way more literally than it was intended.

glastonelle · 08-04-2010, 03:05 AM

I dont find it particularly empowering, as its you performing sexual acts for men because they've payed you for it, - you wouldnt have money otherwise - but in all fairness, it is a woman getting payed to do something she could easily do for free. Its a two-way thing really. I dont support it much, but thats because I dont really care. If I was more interrested in the case maybe I'd have a stronger view, but since its the actual prostitute's choice on the matter, then its her decision. My opinion doesnt matter :/

08-04-2010, 12:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
Scarlett O'Hara Make it so Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,181	Empowering or Degrading? I want to see what members here think of stripping and prostitution being considered both degrading to women as a gender or being empowering to a womans sexuality? Is prostitution a form of power woman have over men? The ability to seduce? Would any female members here do any of the above? It can be in extraordinary circumstances also such as being in poverty. Ok I know everyones cringing right now because Vege is going to write a novel, but to be honest I don't mind because I'm not 100% sure how she would take this situation as isn't be a feminist giving women the ability to do what every they want? __________________ "Elph is truly an enfant terrible of the forum, bless and curse him" - Marie, Queen of Thots

08-04-2010, 01:02 AM	#2 (permalink)
~~Sansa Stark~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: The Eyrie, Vale of Arryn, Westeros Posts: 3,234	****ing degrading imo, but I think feminism is about choice, so if they want to do it and feel empowered by it, I guess more power to them

08-04-2010, 03:05 AM	#10 (permalink)
glastonelle lets make a mess, lioness Join Date: May 2010 Location: NZ Posts: 400	I dont find it particularly empowering, as its you performing sexual acts for men because they've payed you for it, - you wouldnt have money otherwise - but in all fairness, it is a woman getting payed to do something she could easily do for free. Its a two-way thing really. I dont support it much, but thats because I dont really care. If I was more interrested in the case maybe I'd have a stronger view, but since its the actual prostitute's choice on the matter, then its her decision. My opinion doesnt matter :/