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bob. 07-25-2010 06:40 PM

19 People Dead at German Love Festival
 
Officials explain little on German festival stampede

this absolutely crazy....how the hell could the promoters of this actually within sane mind make it to where they planed on packing over one million people into a small space with only one exit/entrance...and thats an access tunnel
:soapbox:

CanwllCorfe 07-26-2010 07:09 PM

Love Parade is the name of the festival. I saw a video where they were helping people up and saw them carrying the dead and trying to resuscitate some of the people who were still alive. Such a horrible accident

R.I.P.

Freebase Dali 07-26-2010 07:11 PM

What were they stampeding for?

CanwllCorfe 07-26-2010 07:28 PM

I still haven't been able to find out.

EDIT: I just found this:

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It remains unclear what triggered the panic, but it appears that people trying to escape the surging crowd climbed up a metal stairway in front of the tunnel and then fell and were trampled or crushed.

Freebase Dali 07-26-2010 07:44 PM

19 people climbed up a stairway and they all couldn't navigate it? This is getting weirder.

I can understand surging, crazy Germans, as they really like their techno and I've personally seen how packed and crazy it gets at their raves. (Timewarp 2005, Mannheim Germany)
But what the hell?

CanwllCorfe 07-26-2010 07:53 PM

19 people.. in a crowd over a million all climbing up a narrow stairway. It's hard to think that only 19 people died

EDIT: It's up to 20 with 511 injured

Freebase Dali 07-26-2010 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe (Post 907550)
19 people.. in a crowd over a million all climbing up a narrow stairway. It's hard to think that only 19 people died

Did the stairway collapse or something?
Seems even easier not to fall if you've got over a million people in a narrow stairway...

Janszoon 07-26-2010 07:55 PM

That's really fucked up. :(

CanwllCorfe 07-26-2010 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 907552)
Did the stairway collapse or something?
Seems even easier not to fall if you've got over a million people in a narrow stairway...

No they fell from it. I haven't seen what the staircase looks like so I'm not exactly sure how they fell or if the injuries were sustained from perhaps getting crushed by people after they fell. I know 2 deaths happened in the entrance/exit tunnel as they were crushed against the wall.

Urban Hat€monger ? 07-26-2010 08:54 PM

What happened was the festival was overcrowded and the only exit/entrance was through a railway tunnel.

As people were being turned away from the festival more people tried to get in causing a huge crush at the gates.

The only way to avoid being crushed was to climb up a high wall or climb up these steep stairs.
Because of the sheer number of people trying to get up these stairs some people fell off.

I didn't see the stairs on the news report but the walls surrounding this tunnel looked at least 20/30 feet high.

TheBig3 07-26-2010 09:58 PM

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19 People Dead at German Love Festival

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 907554)
That's really fucked up. :(

You're telling me. Maybe they didn't translate it correctly?

Freebase Dali 07-26-2010 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 907604)
You're telling me. Maybe they didn't translate it correctly?

It's Germany. They translated it correctly.

TheBig3 07-26-2010 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 907606)
It's Germany. They translated it correctly.

I meant only Germans would stomp 19 people dead at a love festival.

I try making it subtle all the time, but some guys just make you say it.

iron9567 07-26-2010 10:02 PM

this may sound stupid, but who was scheduled to play at this festival?

Freebase Dali 07-26-2010 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 907607)
I meant only Germans would stomp 19 people dead at a love festival.

I try making it subtle all the time, but some guys just make you say it.

Aw sh*t...Sorry.
I ruined your Nazi joke by making a Nazi joke that that got ruined by your clarification of your Nazi joke.

This is way more complicated than in the 30's/40's.

TheBig3 07-26-2010 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 907609)
Aw sh*t...Sorry.
I ruined your Nazi joke by making a Nazi joke that that got ruined by your clarification of your Nazi joke.

This is way more complicated than in the 30's/40's.

I didn't...wait what?

Alright look. It was a joke in poor taste. I tried to lighten the mood. Sorry, everybody.

Also, where did you get "nazi's?" from?

Freebase Dali 07-26-2010 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by iron9567 (Post 907608)
this may sound stupid, but who was scheduled to play at this festival?

If assumptions mean much, I'm guessing Richie Hawtin, Sven Vath, and a bunch of other people who sound just like that.

Freebase Dali 07-26-2010 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 907610)
I didn't...wait what?

Alright look. It was a joke in poor taste. I tried to lighten the mood. Sorry, everybody.

Also, where did you get "nazi's?" from?

Wait... No... crap...

I was making a nazi joke.

You weren't?

Man, we need to call in Britain...

bob. 07-26-2010 10:16 PM

the title was worded that way to lighten a serious incident....thanks for noticing :)

i don't know a lot about this festival but i have a friend....who is a bit more into electronic music and is in Europe who told me thats it's actually quite large and well attended...soooo you would think that a bit more planning would have gone into this....it just looks like these people were forced into such a small area with very little means of escape....personally i get a little freaked out in larger crowds as it is....but to herded into a small space like that.....it looks like shooting a school of fish in a bucket

sad to hear that more have dies over this blatant stupidity....i know when i read this last night it was 19 dead and only 300 injured

Freebase Dali 07-26-2010 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bob. (Post 907615)
the title was worded that way to lighten a serious incident....thanks for noticing :)

i don't know a lot about this festival but i have a friend....who is a bit more into electronic music and is in Europe who told me thats it's actually quite large and well attended...soooo you would think that a bit more planning would have gone into this....it just looks like these people were forced into such a small area with very little means of escape....personally i get a little freaked out in larger crowds as it is....but to herded into a small space like that.....it looks like shooting a school of fish in a bucket

sad to hear that more have dies over this blatant stupidity....i know when i read this last night it was 19 dead and only 300 injured

Well it's actually called "Love Festival" right? I'm sure they weren't crowding into there for the hugs... but if so, they definitely got them.
(I guess you were being sarcastic, but just in case you weren't.)

Anyway, yea it was definitely a big mistake on part of the organizers and from what I've read, they won't be having it again. At least not in the same place or as the same name. It's just sad that it took something like that for them to suddenly realize the danger... I love stereotyping, so I'll do it now... German engineering is supposed to be best.. you'd think some experienced event planners and organizers would have had some sort of backup plan or safety net considering the large amounts of people the festival drew every time. The festival was not a new thing.

CanwllCorfe 07-26-2010 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali
Well it's actually called "Love Festival" right?

Close! Love Parade

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Originally Posted by iron9567 (Post 907608)
this may sound stupid, but who was scheduled to play at this festival?

Lots of big names! ATB, Fedde le Grand, Mark Knight, Sven Wittekind, Josh Gallahan, David Guetta, Booka Shade, Tiesto, Tiefschwarz, Boris Duglosch, Boys Noize, etc.

Well.. big names in the Electronic music scene anyway.

bob. 07-26-2010 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 907617)
Well it's actually called "Love Festival" right? I'm sure they weren't crowding into there for the hugs... but if so, they definitely got them.
(I guess you were being sarcastic, but just in case you weren't.)

Anyway, yea it was definitely a big mistake on part of the organizers and from what I've read, they won't be having it again. At least not in the same place or as the same name. It's just sad that it took something like that for them to suddenly realize the danger... I love stereotyping, so I'll do it now... German engineering is supposed to be best.. you'd think some experienced event planners and organizers would have had some sort of backup plan or safety net considering the large amounts of people the festival drew every time. The festival was not a new thing.

i read...i think on the telegraphs website that the police had apparently warned the promoters not to do it there...i also read that there were no problems until the police showed up and basically...according to one account...started yelling at people who were trying to sneak into the already OVERBOOKED event....at that point people started getting scared because of the oppressive police presence....now as much as i would love to jump up and say fuck those fucking pigs it's all their fault....i think this time it really leans on the stupid location and the stupid people that would think it would work

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe (Post 907620)
Close! Love Parade



Lots of big names! ATB, Fedde le Grand, Mark Knight, Sven Wittekind, Josh Gallahan, David Guetta, Booka Shade, Tiesto, Tiefschwarz, Boris Duglosch, Boys Noize, etc.

Well.. big names in the Electronic music scene anyway.

so it's a big dance party right?

CanwllCorfe 07-27-2010 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bob. (Post 907632)
so it's a big dance party right?

Yup! I'm actually very familiar with it which is why it's even more upsetting to me :(

EDIT: ATB has composed a song in remembrance.. I'm not sure if anyone else will jump on board but I think there's a good chance.



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