The problems with homosexuality

boo boo · 07-23-2010, 04:30 PM

What is that supposed to mean?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 07-23-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

What? You CAN be an attention whore and still have a sense of ethics and respect for others.

I am undeniably an attention whore when it comes to how I express myself on Music Banter. I still show respect to others, but only those I deem worthy of respect.

I personally think everyone is an attention whore in their own way. Weither it's someone trying to fit in or someone who wants to make themselves look like a lizard.

When was the last time you were in a pub or bar with one of these people.

and be honest.

Goblin Tears · 07-23-2010, 04:44 PM

I'm afraid I have to disagree with a lot of the anti-camp remarks here. One can be camp and considerate at the same time, and straight women and even straight men can have camp qualities, too. Camp wit is absolutely hillarious, so long as one does not attempt to dominate a social group, which would be attention-whoreyness.

Anyway, I would consider campness and attention-whoredness (is that how you spell that ****ing thing?) to be two separate traits. Sometime homo men can come across as more flamboyant or outrageous simply because they're guys acting and moving in a feminine kind of way, and this can stir uncomfortable feelings in some people. But if a girl were behaving in that exact same way, would you really find it so freaky?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 07-23-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Goblin Tears

I'm afraid I have to disagree with a lot of the anti-camp remarks here. One can be camp and considerate at the same time, and straight women and even straight men can have camp qualities, too. Camp wit is absolutely hillarious, so long as one does not attempt to dominate a social group, which would be attention-whoreyness.

I don't doubt that it is possible to be camp & considerate, without dominating.

But we're talking about the ones that aren't.

**Janszoon** · 07-23-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Goblin Tears

Anyway, I would consider campness and attention-whoredness (is that how you spell that ****ing thing?) to be two separate traits. Sometime homo men can come across as more flamboyant or outrageous simply because they're guys acting and moving in a feminine kind of way, and this can stir uncomfortable feelings in some people. But if a girl were behaving in that exact same way, would you really find it so freaky?

I agree with this. I also think there are very good reasons that some gay guys might want to be very outspoken about their sexuality. Most of the world unfortunately is still very hostile to homosexuality, and by putting it out there in a very obvious way they're protecting themselves from blindsiding the wrong person with that bit of information.

Goblin Tears · 07-23-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I agree with this. I also think there are very good reasons that some *** guys might want to be very outspoken about their sexuality. Most of the world unfortunately is still very hostile to homosexuality. By putting it out there in a very obvious way they're protecting themselves from blindsiding the wrong person with that bit of information.

Yes, that's a valid reason. There are some countries where talking about it will get you a jail sentence, or some even more ghastly form of abuse. I myself am g.a.y. and have been to some LGBT communites/pubs etc. and have found that g.a.y. people do talk a lot about their sexualities and lifestyles, but in most cases it's a counter-attack to the stigma attached to homosexuality. And a lot of the time, straight people are generally interested, and ask a lot of questions about it. Even with one of my close friends (who is g.a.y.), I find myself talking about homosexuality a lot, moreso about other people's reactions to it than our own feelings on the matter. It's easy to assume g.a.y. people make too big a deal out of their sexualities, but really, how big a deal does the world make being g.a.y. out to be? Big enough to banish/stigmatise it in places, consider it a taboo in others.

And why is g.a.y. censored? It's not even an offensive term.

right-track · 07-23-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I agree with this. I also think there are very good reasons that some gay guys might want to be very outspoken about their sexuality. Most of the world unfortunately is still very hostile to homosexuality, and by putting it out there in a very obvious way they're protecting themselves from blindsiding the wrong person with that bit of information.

I can't agree with this.
The outspoken, obnoxious/overly camp, outspoken one's are only putting it out there for attention seeking purposes.
In the same way that overly outspoken/obnoxious people of all persuasions do.
If anything, they are one of the biggest reasons of hostility that exists, wrongly, towards homosexuals?

boo boo · 07-23-2010, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

When was the last time you were in a pub or bar with one of these people.

and be honest.

What, you mean with lizard people? Have YOU ever had a beer with a lizard man? If not then don't judge.

jackhammer · 07-23-2010, 08:25 PM

It's a very well intentioned question Marijan but why should there be a problem with Homosexuality if you are comfortable with who you are?

Why the need to question your orientation?

mr dave · 07-24-2010, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

Mr dave, I have a completely opposite view of a life-long love: it is about satisfying the immediate individuals, if it has any "purpose" at all. Just because it is true that people who procreate pass on their genes to a future generation doesn't mean this is a relationship's purpose. Having a child is wonderful (though I don't see it as a "biological goal"), but it doesn't give more meaning to a couple's relationship that isn't there to begin with.

When the sun consumes the earth, NO ONE will be left (space travel escape is extremely unlikely), so believing that having a child somehow sustains or maintains love beyond parents' biological lives ignores that all life on earth will end. There will BE no earth eventually, given what stars do (fusion reactions eventually run out of fuel). I feel that loving each other at the moment is what is important, rather than trying to live through one's child. The only thing that we can say will last, when we love someone, is that the fact that we once loved that person will always be true. All biological signs of that love will eventually be completely non-existent.

Many hetero couples have no children. Should religions not sanctify relationships between a woman and a man unless they vow to have a child? Of course, religions can invite whom they wish to their "poker party" of value judgements, but I feel wise religions...if there is such a thing...would not turn biological possibility into a religious imperative.

this all fair and cool. this is also one of the reasons why i try to limit my lounge posting and try to not check the site more than once a day.

as for the sun consuming the earth, with my base personal philosophy revolving around being the universe i see it like a white blood cell consuming a red blood cell if it were to occur. at the same time if humanity doesn't figure out a way to step up from it's current idiocy between then and now i think we deserve it. yeah, i'm just a bit of a pessimist at times haha

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I agree, and I think most lgbtq activists do too, which is why no one is asking religious institutions to recognize gay marriages. What they're asking for is equal rights under the law. :\

I think the most important issue with gay couples raising children should be whether or not they can provide a safe and loving environment to their children, perpetuating social concepts of gender roles should be the least of anyone's concern (not to mention that I fail to see any actual benefit from having parents of different sexes. If you could name some I'd be much grateful).

you're right, i have a very depressing world view hehehe. i'd also REALLY like to agree with you're comment about lobbying for equal legal rights. but i was living in Ottawa when the legislation passed in Canada. it wasn't pretty on either side.

i'd also like to agree with that last part and to an extent i really do. as for examples here it is - it's not so much having parents of different sexes but having masculine and feminine role models, not necessarily male or female. the benefit is pretty simple, if you only get the perspective from one side then you'll have a skewed view of society when you approach it as an individual especially if you're of the opposite sex than your parents.

it's like how a lot of guys raised by single women have a hard time meeting women because they were raised to be the kind of respectful gentlemen their moms would have liked their dads to be while in turn raising their daughters to be ready to deal with the kind of douches their fathers turned out to be. it's hardly the end of the world but it is a pretty big pain in the ass since it reshapes your views on pretty much everyone that helped you shape yourself until that point.

07-23-2010, 08:25 PM	#49 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	It's a very well intentioned question Marijan but why should there be a problem with Homosexuality if you are comfortable with who you are? Why the need to question your orientation? __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

07-23-2010, 04:44 PM	#43 (permalink)
Goblin Tears Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Ireland Posts: 337	I'm afraid I have to disagree with a lot of the anti-camp remarks here. One can be camp and considerate at the same time, and straight women and even straight men can have camp qualities, too. Camp wit is absolutely hillarious, so long as one does not attempt to dominate a social group, which would be attention-whoreyness. Anyway, I would consider campness and attention-whoredness (is that how you spell that ****ing thing?) to be two separate traits. Sometime homo men can come across as more flamboyant or outrageous simply because they're guys acting and moving in a feminine kind of way, and this can stir uncomfortable feelings in some people. But if a girl were behaving in that exact same way, would you really find it so freaky?