The problems with homosexuality

Have Faith In Me. · 09-25-2010, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Okay, because I like crash_override, I'm going to try and respectfully explain why I think you're wrong here.

I think you're actions are kind of hypocritical here. There are many things that the Bible describes as "sinful." Such as the consumption of shellfish, men shaving their beards, enslaving Israelites (and ONLY Israelites.) As one person pointed out, you have a tattoo, the Bible has the whole part about your body being a temple.

Now obviously it would be totally irrational to compare getting a tattoo, to murder, however if you choose to ignore the whole your body is a temple thing, and you choose to eat shellfish why not say homosexuality is okay? Why choose to treat that one as sin when the bible has so many sins listed that you probably ignore? It's weird to me and I don't understand your reasoning.

Okay. And I see where you're coming from. I know I've stepped on a lot of toes, and I don't phrase things exactly the right way or even the way I want to convey them. It's a problem.

Anyway, I've also stated the fact that I sin, and it's not okay. I'm sure a lot of things I've done should be considered a sin. I'm also saying that I'm sure I will continue sinning because I'm only human and we do so daily. In this sense, I see where homosexuality isn't any different than any of those things.

~~TumorAttitude~~ · 09-25-2010, 10:56 PM

Have Faith in Me, babycakes, if you're sick of people calling you out on your sheepy homophobia, just stop responding.

There is no problem with homosexuality. You know what the problem of heterosexuality is though? Babies.

Palatable Vera · 09-25-2010, 10:56 PM

I don't think that anyone could really follow the Bible exactly without having to break one or two rules in it at the same time. =/

Consolator · 09-25-2010, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Have Faith In Me.

I see your point, to an extent. I'm not one of those people that's gonna go out and stand up for gay rights

Bingo.

Why won't you? (Assuming you live in the US.) America was founded on the ideals of a place where people wouldn't be persecuted for their religious beliefs. The corny phrase "Land of the free" comes to mind. Following your logic, you're persecuting others based on your religious beliefs, whether you mean to or not. I don't need to tell you all the ways gays are discriminated against by the government and general public -- it's pretty obvious unless you live in, say, MA. You say you won't go out and support gay rights, but isn't the idea of equality and freedom is what the US is all about? Do you not think gays are worthy of enjoying the same rights and benefits as you?

I attend a Catholic university and it irks me how the students all use the same hippie-esque flowery language, but when it comes to the government, it's their way or the highway. The government should enforce their religious ideals in laws and the general running of things. When I try to explain to them that the US is supposed to be a secular nation, they write me off as some crazy liberal. Need I remind you how religious theocracies tend to turn out? Just take a look at Iran, for instance.

Palatable Vera · 09-25-2010, 10:59 PM

That whole "equality and freedom" standard kind of faded away a long time ago. About the time when the government started trying to force everybody to be "politically correct".

Consolator · 09-25-2010, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Palatable Vera

That whole "equality and freedom" standard kind of faded away a long time ago. About the time when the government started trying to force everybody to be "politically correct".

I agree, though my previous point still stands. Why does she feel that gays are not worthy of the same treatment and rights that she gets?

Have Faith In Me. · 09-25-2010, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Consolator

You say you won't go out and support gay rights, but isn't the idea of equality and freedom is what the US is all about? Do you not think gays are worthy of enjoying the same rights and benefits as you?

equality and freedom is supposed to be what the United States is all about, and I wish it really was. Truth be told though, I don't think there's really a place that's entirely like that on this Earth. Sadly. And are you going to go to a rally or protest for something that I whole-heartedly support just because I might want you to or think you should? The answer is probably a no, and that's okay. You're not expected to have to. That's the same for me with this. I don't mind anybody else doing it, but I shouldn't have to. I think everyone should have a choice in what they do, and it's simply what they want to do, that's all. It should be accepted for what it is.

Palatable Vera · 09-25-2010, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Consolator

I agree, though my previous point still stands. Why does she feel that gays are not worthy of the same treatment and rights that she gets?

Political correctness.

Consolator · 09-25-2010, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Have Faith In Me.

equality and freedom is supposed to be what the United States is all about, and I wish it really was. Truth be told though, I don't think there's really a place that's entirely like that on this Earth. Sadly. And are you going to go to a rally or protest for something that I whole-heartedly support just because I might want you to or think you should? The answer is probably a no, and that's okay. You're not expected to have to. That's the same for me with this. I don't mind anybody else doing it, but I shouldn't have to. I think everyone should have a choice in what they do, and it's simply what they want to do, that's all. It should be accepted for what it is.

You're right, absolute equality is not something present on this planet. That's not to say we can't make efforts to move closer towards it.

If you made a case about whatever you wanted me to rally or protest for (like I've done with you) I would certainly consider it. Here's what I don't understand: Your gay best friend, who you've repeatedly claimed to "love" (though judging by the fact that you don't want to support gay rights I'm beginning to doubt that claim) is currently discriminated against heavily and openly. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you want those you love to be happy? If someone was messing with one of your siblings or close friends, wouldn't you want to help them / protect them? Is that not what you do with those you "love" ? It may be something that's uncomfortable for you, but wouldn't you consider it worth it? Being that he's your best friend and you love him. I frankly do not understand where you're coming from, at all. I can understand not approving of all of a friend's traits, but homosexuality isn't the same as being, say, an alcoholic.

Stone Birds · 10-04-2010, 05:02 PM

apparently over 55% of America now supports gay marriage, according to AskAmerica, long time to wait gay people, Milk would be proud

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~~TumorAttitude~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Purgatory Posts: 749	Have Faith in Me, babycakes, if you're sick of people calling you out on your sheepy homophobia, just stop responding. There is no problem with homosexuality. You know what the problem of heterosexuality is though? Babies.