The scariest ****ing thing you've ever seen.

Chula Vista · 02-12-2018, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by [MERIT]

(1) I majored in structural civil engineering.

(2) The Twin towers were built to withstand plane crashes.

(3) A B-25 Bomber hit the Empire State Buulding in 1945. Anyone care to guess what the outcome was?

Which one is it MERIT? (1) and (2) above totally contradict each other. Either you really did (1), or you truly believe (2). You simply can't have it both ways. Unless the lizard Truther portion of your brain has completely taken over. If that's the case? You need help dude.

(3) I almost brought this up earlier.

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MERIT: The Twin towers were built to withstand plane crashes. As a former structural civil engineer, this case is most intriguing to me. And you all seem to not understand how buildings work.

If, as a former structural engineer, you can't comprehend the totally diametric physics involved in the 1945 and 2001 events.....

I was going to explain it from a purely engineering aspect, but found this, which says it much clearer than I could at this hour.

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The important thing to note is that although these incidents have similarities, they also have many very big differences.

The first major difference is the kind of building that the empire state building is.

The empire state building is made from reinforced concrete and other heavy building materials such as masonry. It has a central support column as well as many additional interior support columns, all made from reinforced concrete, steel and masonry.

The density (weight per unit volume) of the empire state building is approximately 38 pounds per cubic foot. The density of the twin towers: 8 or 9 pounds per cubic foot.

Why were the twin towers so light compared to the empire state building?

The twin towers were completed in 1970 and were built to optimize office space. This is a compromise. The buildings were more fragile, but had more office space per floor than older buildings like the empire state building.

The way this was accomplished is a central column of steel and concrete in the center supported most of the weight of the twin towers, with the outer walls kept in place with a system of steel trusses.

This means that unlike the empire state building, the twin towers did not have any interior support columns at all.

Simple physics.

SIMPLE PHYSICS.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 02-12-2018, 01:46 AM

Simple physics...

Like kicker charges, on video, blowing out lower levels, to allow the tower to fall into its own footprint.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 02-12-2018, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Were they earthlings?

Neptunians I believe.

Chula Vista · 02-12-2018, 01:51 AM

You need help dude.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 02-12-2018, 01:56 AM

And the fact that a multitude of the "hijackers" were later found ALIVE, and even interviewed on Israeli television?

~~[MERIT]~~ · 02-12-2018, 01:58 AM

And the Pentagon? No plane could have hit there. It was a missile!

~~[MERIT]~~ · 02-12-2018, 01:59 AM

Do you people not have eyes?

The Batlord · 02-12-2018, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by [MERIT]

Simple physics...

Like kicker charges, on video, blowing out lower levels, to allow the tower to fall into its own footprint.

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Originally Posted by [MERIT]

And the fact that a multitude of the "hijackers" were later found ALIVE, and even interviewed on Israeli television?

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Originally Posted by [MERIT]

And the Pentagon? No plane could have hit there. It was a missile!

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Originally Posted by [MERIT]

Do you people not have eyes?

I like how when your nonsense is pointed out, rather than debate the person who just made a counterpoint, you start doubling posting like a madman and chucking out unsupported claims faster than (you hope) anybody will be able to debunk them. This is why no one takes you or your kind seriously. Viva la ZOG!

Oriphiel · 02-12-2018, 05:30 AM

Doubling down instead of backing down is the American way.

Lisnaholic · 02-12-2018, 08:28 AM

Something I'll concede in this debate is that my earlier post, complete with floor plan, was an over-simplification of a complex event, but I would still refute many of [MERIT]'s points:-

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But thouands upon thousands upon thousands of architects and engineers beg to differ: Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth

^ The number of (presumed) architects and engineers who are signatories to this website's petition is 2,462. In itself, that's a surprising and impressive number, but I wouldn't describe it as "thousands upon thousands upon thousands." To be pedantic, it's just one thousand upon another thousand and a few left over.

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The Twin towers were built to withstand plane crashes.

^ Well, maybe things are done differently in the USA, but in Britain engineers design to a number of "worst-case scenarios," which include the following:-
i) heavy snow-load on roof
ii) regional-record winds, causing both positive and negative air pressure, i.e. both "blow" and "suck" effects
iii) gas explosions and electrical fires

To all these, engineers then add on a furthur "just to be safe factor" as well, but no-one designs a building to withstand plane crashes as this is not considered a likely event, any more than they design for UFOs landing on the roof.

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Originally Posted by [MERIT]

And that the jews were told not to come in to work that day?

^ In his book Voodoo Histories, David Aaronovitch says this about the 2,071 occupants killed at the WTC: "...as far as can be ascertained between 10 and 14 percent were Jewish, roughly correlating to the percentage of Jews in the population of the NewYork area." I wonder if you have any evidence to support your notion.

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On 9/11, it appeared that relatively small kicker charges [mini-nukes] were set off inside the Twin Towers to help destroy structural steel beams. Later, large underground nuclear charges may have been set off, collapsing the building into its own footprint ...
Former Soviet Nuclear Intelligence Officer DIMITRI A. KHALEZOV shared this idea in his book “The ‘Third’ Truth About 9/11: Defending The U.S. Government Which Has Only The First Two,” saying:

“The Twin Towers were brought down by a certain controlled demolition procedure because such a possibility to demolish the Twins was their in-built feature; the WTC-7 later shared the same fate. This ‘certain’ controlled demolition procedure was nothing else than a built-in demolition feature of the WTC buildings 1, 2 and 7 that existed in these buildings from the time of their construction. This ‘certain’ in-built controlled demolition feature was based on nothing else than very powerful thermonuclear charges positioned deep underground beneath each building …
The U.S. Government decided to collapse the Twin Towers by their in-built nuclear demolition scheme.”

^ In common with your idea that all the Jews stayed home on 9/11, this notion of in-built nuclear charges requires us to believe that there was some enormous, leak-proof conspiracy in play beforehand. As an engineer, you should be aware of the hundreds of people involved in a construction project; designers, engineers, clients, construction workers. Add in government collusion, as Khalezof does in your quote, and we have another bunch of people in the White House who would've been aware of the plan. The idea that so many people were prepared to go along with a planned in-built nuclear demolition system in one of NY's best-loved icons, and that not one of them blew the whistle or leaked the plan to the press is really pretty hard to swallow.

02-12-2018, 01:51 AM	#234 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	You need help dude. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

02-12-2018, 05:30 AM	#239 (permalink)
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02-12-2018, 01:46 AM	#232 (permalink)
~~[MERIT]~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 4,814	Simple physics... Like kicker charges, on video, blowing out lower levels, to allow the tower to fall into its own footprint.

02-12-2018, 01:56 AM	#235 (permalink)
~~[MERIT]~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 4,814	And the fact that a multitude of the "hijackers" were later found ALIVE, and even interviewed on Israeli television?

02-12-2018, 01:58 AM	#236 (permalink)
~~[MERIT]~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 4,814	And the Pentagon? No plane could have hit there. It was a missile!

02-12-2018, 01:59 AM	#237 (permalink)
~~[MERIT]~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 4,814	Do you people not have eyes?