Israeli military storms aid ship headed for Gaza, at least nine activists dead
 

BBC News - Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship

So this is pretty big news, at least around here. What are your thoughts on the subject? Was Israel in the wrong, and if so, what should the rest of the world do about it?

Was it even necessary to board the ship?
If Israel suspected there were arms onboard, other than aid, then wouldn't it have been better to simply turn the ship around?

yes, they were in the wrong. as they so consistently are.

the state of israel should not exist in its current form.

technically it's an act of war. hoping cooler heads prevail at the UN when they discuss what really happened though i really don't see how Israel can justify boarding a humanitarian vessel via helicopter in the middle of the night in international waters. the people on the boats had every right to defend themselves from an unprovoked act of aggression.

besides it's not like Israel couldn't search the boats as soon as they docked like they normally do. plus if the convoy 'was' carrying weapons why did everyone resorts to stick and knives to fight back some of the most highly trained soldiers on the planet? why are there no reports of any shots being fired at the helicopter? shots fired on the bridge of a boat seem sensible considering the situation, though it's very hard to say if it was a soldier, one of their weapons in a resisting hand or an illegal weapon.

plus it's not like Turkey isn't a NATO country and part of the UN. this wasn't some unnamed pirate ship with a humanitarian front.

Im pro Israel, but that was unnecessary..

agreed, but what was unnessisary was the attack against the Isrealis.

yeah, i'm sure an aid vessel was "dead-set on confrontation." bull ****.

not that a state founded on the basis of existing exclusively for a specific religious/ethnic group doesn't fully deserve to be violently removed.

are you nuts? did you not check out the clips? how is a group being boarded via helicopter in the middle of the ocean at 4am considered the attacker by anyone besides those trying to shift blame? :confused::usehead:

would live fire have actually taken place had armed soldiers not illegally boarded the vessels while carrying arms?

again, if these boats were supposedly potentially carrying weapons, why weren't they actually used? why are the people on board clearly using sticks until a soldier has his weapon removed?

"War, children, its just a shot away".

Already have Iraq & Afgan to worry about, everybody else might as well join in total world war...lol, I really just dont have an answer.
I wonder if anybody does?
The present situation also reminds of a few lines that are from a 'Steely Dan' song.

"I heard it was you, talking about a world where all is free, it just couldnt be, and 'Only A Fool Would Say That'.

it's hardly a total world war. the ongoing struggle comes up every 2-3 years whenever one side starts feeling too neglected by the international community or feels that they're being too lenient to the other. a bunch of demands... err requests... will come out in a few days, heads will be patted, and business will go back to normal.

funny how virtually no one pays attention when North Korea pulls this **** though....

To be honest Dave, I dont mean to be a cop out, but I dont believe anything the news and media has to say.
The news depresses me..lol, its all about $$$$$$ and power..in my opinion

um then may i be so bold as to ask you where the **** you get the information you base your opinions on?

it's all about ratings in my eyes hahaha

but i haven't heard an actual denial of the events in the clips either so what does that tell you? they're definitely trying to put a better subtitle to it though...

details are still fuzzy, but estimates are that nine civilians were killed on the aid ship. This is going to be a huge setback for israel (i'm guessing those hints at being ready for direct talks with palestine aren't going to be brought back to the table anytime soon). Relations with Turkey have been lukewarm at best over the last year or so, but I'm thinking there's a good chance this incident will destroy this entirely; and it's only going to get worse as more details become apparent. Killing civilians on an aid ship from Israel's closest muslim ally will surely set back the process a couple more decades.

Down with WAR !
 

I cannot personally relate with how life would be living within a country that is torn and scarred by the constant threats and breakouts of War with everyday life, but I can imagine, and I do as most everyone may at one time or another, as to try and put themselves in the shoes of the ones that are living with war as everyday life.
The only honest standpoint of view that I can personally omit, (as an American) is that war has been a burden on our country and its people constant for atleast the past 20 years now, the same way that it has, I would expect for Britian and other allies also.
I understand the prospect, as being viewed by other countries, that we should intervene in every threat of war that arises around the globe, but it is starting to take its toll on my patience personally and I am getting disgusted living everyday with the lingering scent of war in the air when holding in account the now existing war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In my opinion we need a musical revolution like the movement during the Vietnam war, I am surprised the music industry hasnt tried to cash in on the ongoing war already, but I would like to hear some new bands merging with an attitude musically, etc. against war and demanding peace and social prosperity.

That is one of the musical personality aspects I like about the band 'Five Finger Death Punch' toward their image and music, if you are into this style of music, one can hear the influence and turbulence of decades of war in the music, (just a personal opinion) :)

...and some!

List of wars involving Great Britain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

yeah because that worked SOoooo well.... who do you think is stifling the music industry today?

who do you think is leading the parade for 'good' music (the way it was back in the 70s) at the expense of legitimately new/unproven stuff?

rehashing the past will never be the solution for the future. then again learning from mistakes requires the ability to own up to having been wrong. regardless of my own feelings towards hippies and boomers, i don't think many bands would take up that charge anyway because they'd come off as contrived and cliche. who is anyone in the west to be 'demanding' anything of the rest of the world? why is the western idea of 'peace' the one everyone else is supposed to follow? how can western 'peace' - which is rooted in social disparity be used to promote social prosperity?

and please PLEASE don't try to feed me the line about taking 'it' away from the rich and spreading it out to the masses. if you want your turn on the throne just own up to it, don't front altruism to cover jealousy.

Do you mean "Like a small Fish on a big fukking Hook". :wave:

i actually haven't heard that one before haha

Dont humor me Dave...youve seen The Crow!

not in like 15 years though. i should keep an eye open for an under $10 dvd copy now that you made me remember it hehe.

New aid ship heads to Gaza, Israel vows to stop it - Yahoo! News

Another ship is on it's way from Istanbul, and apparently is expected to arrive in Gaza today. But of course, Israel is adamant that the blockade is still in effect, and the ship won't be allowed to dock. Although there has been a lot of international attention to this, I don't think it's really blown up yet. There's a LOT of tension here right now, and it is worrying to think of what could happen if Israel continues to be as obstinate as they are. The clash on Monday was awful, hopefully that was as bad as it will get, but I think that's pretty unrealistic.