Israeli military storms aid ship headed for Gaza, at least nine activists dead

Necromancer · 06-01-2010, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

it's hardly a total world war. the ongoing struggle comes up every 2-3 years whenever one side starts feeling too neglected by the international community or feels that they're being too lenient to the other. a bunch of demands... err requests... will come out in a few days, heads will be patted, and business will go back to normal.

funny how virtually no one pays attention when North Korea pulls this **** though....

To be honest Dave, I dont mean to be a cop out, but I dont believe anything the news and media has to say.
The news depresses me..lol, its all about $$$$$$ and power..in my opinion

~~CAPTAIN CAVEMAN~~ · 06-01-2010, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by VocalsBass

To be honest Dave, I dont mean to be a cop out, but I dont believe anything the news and media has to say.

um then may i be so bold as to ask you where the **** you get the information you base your opinions on?

mr dave · 06-01-2010, 12:15 AM

it's all about ratings in my eyes hahaha

but i haven't heard an actual denial of the events in the clips either so what does that tell you? they're definitely trying to put a better subtitle to it though...

jibber · 06-01-2010, 05:09 PM

details are still fuzzy, but estimates are that nine civilians were killed on the aid ship. This is going to be a huge setback for israel (i'm guessing those hints at being ready for direct talks with palestine aren't going to be brought back to the table anytime soon). Relations with Turkey have been lukewarm at best over the last year or so, but I'm thinking there's a good chance this incident will destroy this entirely; and it's only going to get worse as more details become apparent. Killing civilians on an aid ship from Israel's closest muslim ally will surely set back the process a couple more decades.

Necromancer · 06-02-2010, 01:37 PM

I cannot personally relate with how life would be living within a country that is torn and scarred by the constant threats and breakouts of War with everyday life, but I can imagine, and I do as most everyone may at one time or another, as to try and put themselves in the shoes of the ones that are living with war as everyday life.
The only honest standpoint of view that I can personally omit, (as an American) is that war has been a burden on our country and its people constant for atleast the past 20 years now, the same way that it has, I would expect for Britian and other allies also.
I understand the prospect, as being viewed by other countries, that we should intervene in every threat of war that arises around the globe, but it is starting to take its toll on my patience personally and I am getting disgusted living everyday with the lingering scent of war in the air when holding in account the now existing war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In my opinion we need a musical revolution like the movement during the Vietnam war, I am surprised the music industry hasnt tried to cash in on the ongoing war already, but I would like to hear some new bands merging with an attitude musically, etc. against war and demanding peace and social prosperity.

That is one of the musical personality aspects I like about the band 'Five Finger Death Punch' toward their image and music, if you are into this style of music, one can hear the influence and turbulence of decades of war in the music, (just a personal opinion)

right-track · 06-02-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by VocalsBass

The only honest standpoint of view that I can personally omit, (as an American) is that war has been a burden on our country and its people constant for atleast the past 20 years now, the same way that it has, I would expect for Britian...

...and some!

List of wars involving Great Britain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

mr dave · 06-02-2010, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by VocalsBass

In my opinion we need a musical revolution like the movement during the Vietnam war, I am surprised the music industry hasnt tried to cash in on the ongoing war already, but I would like to hear some new bands merging with an attitude musically, etc. against war and demanding peace and social prosperity.

yeah because that worked SOoooo well.... who do you think is stifling the music industry today?

who do you think is leading the parade for 'good' music (the way it was back in the 70s) at the expense of legitimately new/unproven stuff?

rehashing the past will never be the solution for the future. then again learning from mistakes requires the ability to own up to having been wrong. regardless of my own feelings towards hippies and boomers, i don't think many bands would take up that charge anyway because they'd come off as contrived and cliche. who is anyone in the west to be 'demanding' anything of the rest of the world? why is the western idea of 'peace' the one everyone else is supposed to follow? how can western 'peace' - which is rooted in social disparity be used to promote social prosperity?

and please PLEASE don't try to feed me the line about taking 'it' away from the rich and spreading it out to the masses. if you want your turn on the throne just own up to it, don't front altruism to cover jealousy.

Necromancer · 06-02-2010, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

yeah because that worked SOoooo well.... who do you think is stifling the music industry today?

who do you think is leading the parade for 'good' music (the way it was back in the 70s) at the expense of legitimately new/unproven stuff?

rehashing the past will never be the solution for the future. then again learning from mistakes requires the ability to own up to having been wrong. regardless of my own feelings towards hippies and boomers, i don't think many bands would take up that charge anyway because they'd come off as contrived and cliche. who is anyone in the west to be 'demanding' anything of the rest of the world? why is the western idea of 'peace' the one everyone else is supposed to follow? how can western 'peace' - which is rooted in social disparity be used to promote social prosperity?

and please PLEASE don't try to feed me the line about taking 'it' away from the rich and spreading it out to the masses. if you want your turn on the throne just own up to it, don't front altruism to cover jealousy.

Do you mean "Like a small Fish on a big fukking Hook".

mr dave · 06-02-2010, 08:03 PM

i actually haven't heard that one before haha

Necromancer · 06-02-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

i actually haven't heard that one before haha

Dont humor me Dave...youve seen The Crow!

06-01-2010, 05:09 PM	#14 (permalink)
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,536	details are still fuzzy, but estimates are that nine civilians were killed on the aid ship. This is going to be a huge setback for israel (i'm guessing those hints at being ready for direct talks with palestine aren't going to be brought back to the table anytime soon). Relations with Turkey have been lukewarm at best over the last year or so, but I'm thinking there's a good chance this incident will destroy this entirely; and it's only going to get worse as more details become apparent. Killing civilians on an aid ship from Israel's closest muslim ally will surely set back the process a couple more decades. __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

06-02-2010, 01:37 PM	#15 (permalink)
Necromancer Divination Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,655	Down with WAR ! I cannot personally relate with how life would be living within a country that is torn and scarred by the constant threats and breakouts of War with everyday life, but I can imagine, and I do as most everyone may at one time or another, as to try and put themselves in the shoes of the ones that are living with war as everyday life. The only honest standpoint of view that I can personally omit, (as an American) is that war has been a burden on our country and its people constant for atleast the past 20 years now, the same way that it has, I would expect for Britian and other allies also. I understand the prospect, as being viewed by other countries, that we should intervene in every threat of war that arises around the globe, but it is starting to take its toll on my patience personally and I am getting disgusted living everyday with the lingering scent of war in the air when holding in account the now existing war in Iraq and Afghanistan. In my opinion we need a musical revolution like the movement during the Vietnam war, I am surprised the music industry hasnt tried to cash in on the ongoing war already, but I would like to hear some new bands merging with an attitude musically, etc. against war and demanding peace and social prosperity. That is one of the musical personality aspects I like about the band 'Five Finger Death Punch' toward their image and music, if you are into this style of music, one can hear the influence and turbulence of decades of war in the music, (just a personal opinion)