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Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill - Yahoo! News

Well it happened, folks. The bill that in essence gives Police Offers the right to demand anyone who is "suspicious" to show their papers has been signed into law. Does this mean they'll be "suspecting" Canadians as being illegal immigrants to the US? Nope. It means if you're of Hispanic descent and speak with an accent, the police have the right to demand you prove your citizenship or face being arrested.

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I wouldn't say Hispanic descent, most Mexican that come across the border are Indian, Hispanic-Indian descent and even though they are Spanish speaking they are poor and are different people from the Mexican upper class. And does the Hispanic upper class in Mexico really care where they go? I really don't think they do.

Does Arizona have a right to make laws to protect itself? I think it does, I think if law enforcement has a tool to curb kidknapping that takes place in Phoenix then I don't have anything against it. Is this a law be use to protect people from serious crime, it depend how it's writen and if it is acceptable depends how it's presented in the media. Do I want to see a law used against innocent people? of course not.

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Ronnie Jane Devo

Since you seem to hate the Arizona law so much Conan, could you explain to us what a better alternative is to solving the illegal immigration problem?

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someonecompletelyrandom

How about with a bill that doesn't condone racial profiling?

How about we work more with the Mexican Government about better protection on their side of the border? How about we make the process for people to reside in the US legally easier? Or we could focus our attention on helping Mexico improve as a nation, so people wouldn't be compelled to leave. It may take longer, but if we invested half the money we spend fighting a phony war-on-drugs into it then I don't see it being too far-fetched.

And when did I say I hated Arizona law? That doesn't even make sense. I don't hate Arizona as a state, nor do I have any feelings one way or the other about any other bills the state signs into law. Any state that signs a bill that says a police officer can pull me over based on his personal "suspicions", which can easily translate into profiling, I detest.

How'd you like to be a Mexican American in Arizona? They can arrest and charge you if you don't carry your immigration papers at all times. If we turn our police force into immigration officers, we loose the respect of the communities they try to protect. The communities become afraid of the police force and would refuse involvement in cases crucial to keeping the peace.

Gee, sounds like a great idea to me!

Ronnie Jane Devo

No argument there I guess.

What on earth is the Mexican government going to do about it? They can't even keep their drug cartels under control right now.

My opinions on this are a little complicated, so I'll save it for after we deal with the other points.

That's a nice counterfactual can of worms. Putting aside the fact that the US can barely even take care of itself politically and financially right now, I don't see how it's our responsibility to tell another country how to run its government and society.

You didn't say that, I didn't say you did, and obviously that doesn't make sense.

I don't support racial profiling, but I certainly don't have a problem with 'turning our police force into immigration officers'. If someone is afraid to speak to a police officer because they're doing something illegal, then maybe they shouldn't be doing something illegal in the first place... a novel idea, I know.

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Noooooooo.

We must save the burritos. Goddammit America.

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TheBig3

I was pissed when I saw this. America doesn't hate Mexican's, we hate Arizonians.

(who incidentally may be Mexican's)

Edit: To be honest, this law is going to rat-**** the Republican party in 2010 elections. 4 states currently have a majority-minority population; California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. The Lation vote has been sleepy, disinterested, flying below the radar. But this Law basically says "hey we're going to harass the holy **** out of you at best."

The only state capable of surviving is Texas, who has a savvy governor and a policy-not-party system working down there. The other three states, which stood to be big Republican wins are going to get crushed, and I think for at least the next 10 years, Republicans will have to outright court the Latino vote, even if this means excising some of the hard-liners.

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IamAlejo

o rly? Also, in Arizona the law is said to be in favor by it's citizens 3 to 1.


(From http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blo...eRoberts/79298)

Not saying you're wrong, but it's not that simple. This bill is really just a result of public outcry. I'm not saying that's how bills should/can be made, but to say that it will crush their vote because of it isn't all that true. Besides, the Hispanic vote has never been heavy Republican.

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TheBig3

Thats based on polling. You're dealing with a demographic that does its best to fly under the radar, especially since the law enforcement there can jail them for looking too Mexican.

As far as Lation votes not being "republican" I'm not sure about that. Heres the stats I'd look at.

1. As terrible as it is to lump two groups only combined by language, the spanish-speaking vote has generally gone republican because of the hard-line anti-Castro stance they take.

2. Arizona's largest political figure has been someone who's been, until recently, for giving the Latino a fair shake.

3. In 2004, Latino's we're a heavily courted constituency by then-President Bush.

4. The religios factor has always been republian, which is a general characteristic (be it a generalization or not) of the Latino population.

The Latino's who vote may not have been republican in any one poll or election, but you're going see the beehive riled up, if you catch my drift. They'll vote this time. We're only 5 months away from elections and I doubt this will be done with tomorrow.

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