Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

Neapolitan · 04-24-2010, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bungalow

and crash_override is just crazy. if you want to cut down on illegal immigration, crack down on huge, american multinational corporations that employ (and actively pursue) illegal mexican workers,

Quite frankly I don't see how or why cash_override is crazy, that is the purpose of the bill,

You are acting like there is nothing in the bill for employers, did you even read SB1070, or you just winging it? Because if you are... that's just crazy.

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Investigations of Employers

26.* Allows the county attorney, in investigations of employers who are alleged to have knowingly or intentionally hired unauthorized aliens, to take evidence, administer oaths or affirmations, issue subpoenas requiring attendance and testimony of witnesses and cause depositions to be taken.

27.* Exempts proceedings held during the course of a confidential investigation from open meeting laws.*

28.* Stipulates that an employer is not entrapped in an investigation if the employer was predisposed to knowingly or intentionally employ an unauthorized alien and law enforcement officers or their agents merely provided the employer with an opportunity to do so.*

29.* States that it is not entrapment for law enforcement officers or their agents merely to use a ruse or to conceal their identities.*

30.* Directs employers to keep verification records of their employees’ work eligibility through E-Verify.*

31.* Establishes a class 3 felony for failing to:

a)***** verify employment eligibility through E-Verify or

b)***** keep records of verifications.

~~bungalow~~ · 04-25-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Quite frankly I don't see how or why cash_override is crazy, that is the purpose of the bill,

You are acting like there is nothing in the bill for employers, did you even read SB1070, or you just winging it? Because if you are... that's just crazy.

first of all, i never claimed this bill did not have any clauses related to employers. i was referring directly to crash_override's stance which seems to favor the criminal treatment, arrest and deportation of illegal immigrants. i am saying that crash's anger should be directed towards these corporations and not individuals who are being exploited. crash's post displays a lot of misplaced contempt for these people.

and secondly, you are sadly mistaken if you believe this law is going to step up enforcement on corporations that routinely hire illegal immigrants. the new enforcement capabilities (supposedly) granted by this law are designed to crack down on the illegal immigrants themselves, everyone knows this. american multinationals are far too powerful to be hindered by a state law such as this one, and if it actually posed any threat to the hiring practices of these corporations it wouldn't have stood a chance at becoming law. at the most these provisions in the law will have the effect of increased enforcement on small and local businesses that hire illegal immigrants, sidestepping the larger problem.

but you are a troll so i'm not sure why i even bother responding to you.

crash_override · 04-25-2010, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bungalow

first of all, i never claimed this bill did not have any clauses related to employers. i was referring directly to crash_override's stance which seems to favor the criminal treatment, arrest and deportation of illegal immigrants. i am saying that crash's anger should be directed towards these corporations and not individuals who are being exploited. crash's post displays a lot of misplaced contempt for these people.

and secondly, you are sadly mistaken if you believe this law is going to step up enforcement on corporations that routinely hire illegal immigrants. the new enforcement capabilities (supposedly) granted by this law are designed to crack down on the illegal immigrants themselves, everyone knows this. american multinationals are far too powerful to be hindered by a state law such as this one, and if it actually posed any threat to the hiring practices of these corporations it wouldn't have stood a chance at becoming law. at the most these provisions in the law will have the effect of increased enforcement on small and local businesses that hire illegal immigrants, sidestepping the larger problem.

You are overlooking the criminal actions of these individuals and pointing the finger at corporations, seemingly, because that's easier for you to have contempt for a large corporation than an individual. But you cannot overlook the crime of one in lieu of the crime of another. The point is that Arizona is not able to stifle the policies of these corporations with their own state laws, therefore they are taking the best possible course of action to eradicate this growing epidemic of crime in their state.

On the other hand, I do agree with you in the fact that there needs to be stricter punishment of companies that do knowingly hire and support illegal immigrants. But seeing the current federal/corporate relationship, I don't see a bill being passed any time soon.

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but you are a troll so i'm not sure why i even bother responding to you.

My thoughts on you exactly.