Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 04-29-2010, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe

Really? I wouldn't. If they ask me to show a card because I have brown skin, and they assume I'm Spanish, why should I feel offended? I don't see anything derogatory about proving that you live here.

But if your a Mexican American who's lived here his entire life...

CanwllCorfe · 04-29-2010, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan

But if your a Mexican American who's lived here his entire life...

Then I'd have to show the Policeman a card. I mean it might be somewhat of a hassle but it's just as big of a hassle getting out a debit card or my ID.

Neapolitan · 04-29-2010, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by IamAlejo

o rly? Also, in Arizona the law is said to be in favor by it's citizens 3 to 1.

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Originally Posted by duga

This is kind of a funny statistic considering the Hispanic population in Arizona (legally, anyway) is roughly 1/3 of the population.

Not that this means anything, just interesting...

Carry on...

"in favor by it's citizens 3 to 1" means it's citizens are 75% in favour; or conversely 25% not in favour

1/3 equals (roughly speaking) 33.333333333333333333333333333333...%

which is interesting because that means there are hispanic who are in favour of the bill.

duga · 04-29-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

"in favor by it's citizens 3 to 1" means it's citizens are 75% in favour; or conversely 25% not in favour

1/3 equals (roughly speaking) 33.333333333333333333333333333333...%

which is interesting because that means there are hispanic who are in favour of the bill.

Umm...whatever.

CanwllCorfe · 04-29-2010, 06:00 PM

Precisely! Pretty much summed up exactly how I feel about the situation.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 04-29-2010, 10:48 PM

first appropriate use of that damn smiley I've ever seen.

CanwllCorfe · 04-29-2010, 10:57 PM

I've wanted to for awhile. It's not very useful

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 04-30-2010, 11:21 AM

still seems like unfair and hostile treatment based on a person's physical makeup.

Freebase Dali · 04-30-2010, 01:36 PM

I don't know how far off topic I'll be with this, but I just wanted to put it out there and get other people's insight into it...

About 9 years ago I used to work as a welder in a large assembly factory where I was employed for about a year and a half. In that time, I met and talked to a lot of Mexicans (who comprised about 3 quarters of my department alone) and of those people, over half of them were illegal.
In conversations with them, particularly the men, I learned that most of them did not want to become a citizen at all. Their sole mission was to make as much money as possible to send back to Mexico to support their families, and not have to pay a lot of taxes on it. They would work it so that the very least amount of income tax was taken out, there was no state tax--this being Florida--and by the time tax season came around, they obviously didn't file. They wouldn't be in the system anyway.
So avoiding paying back taxes they would otherwise owe was an advantage to them.
Also, the exchange rate was in their favor for sending the money back to Mexico.

I'm not condoning nor condemning any of this, but from talking to these people I know why many of them were doing it. The interest wasn't to become an American citizen. It was simply to get a job in America because it pays a lot better than in Mexico. Some of the guys had been working there long enough and their families were even considered "rich" in Mexico because of the money they made for them.

I just wonder how some of you view that scenario.
Personally, if I were in their shoes I'd be doing the same thing. But being in my own, I have more of an objection for economic reasons. I still don't really know how I feel about it in every regard.

duga · 04-30-2010, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

I don't know how far off topic I'll be with this, but I just wanted to put it out there and get other people's insight into it...

About 9 years ago I used to work as a welder in a large assembly factory where I was employed for about a year and a half. In that time, I met and talked to a lot of Mexicans (who comprised about 3 quarters of my department alone) and of those people, over half of them were illegal.
In conversations with them, particularly the men, I learned that most of them did not want to become a citizen at all. Their sole mission was to make as much money as possible to send back to Mexico to support their families, and not have to pay a lot of taxes on it. They would work it so that the very least amount of income tax was taken out, there was no state tax--this being Florida--and by the time tax season came around, they obviously didn't file. They wouldn't be in the system anyway.
So avoiding paying back taxes they would otherwise owe was an advantage to them.
Also, the exchange rate was in their favor for sending the money back to Mexico.

I'm not condoning nor condemning any of this, but from talking to these people I know why many of them were doing it. The interest wasn't to become an American citizen. It was simply to get a job in America because it pays a lot better than in Mexico. Some of the guys had been working there long enough and their families were even considered "rich" in Mexico because of the money they made for them.

I just wonder how some of you view that scenario.
Personally, if I were in their shoes I'd be doing the same thing. But being in my own, I have more of an objection for economic reasons. I still don't really know how I feel about it in every regard.

You bring up a very good point, and it got me thinking about the way other countries handle this kind of situation. In Singapore, they allow citizens of other countries (namely poorer regions of Indian, Malaysia, and Indonesia) to work construction and other menial labor jobs tax free to save up their money for the period of time they work there. This allows them to send a sizable amount of money back to their families, they can go back after the job is done, and come back when they need more money. This is a win win for both sides as Singapore gets their construction done in a timely manner with a readily available labor force and they get more money than they would ever make back in their home countries.

This, I think, would work wonders here in the US.

Edit: An obvious argument to this is they would still be taking a lot of potential jobs for US residents. Granted, Singapore is a tiny country, but the point is they have very high expectations of its citizens. Their government also makes sure everyone has a job, even with the construction jobs given to foreigners. Honestly, I feel if they can do it the US can do it as well.

04-29-2010, 06:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
CanwllCorfe Quiet Man in the Corner Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pocono Mountains Posts: 2,480	Precisely! Pretty much summed up exactly how I feel about the situation. __________________ Your eyes were never yet let in to see the majesty and riches of the mind, but dwell in darkness; for your God is blind.

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CanwllCorfe Quiet Man in the Corner Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pocono Mountains Posts: 2,480	I've wanted to for awhile. It's not very useful __________________ Your eyes were never yet let in to see the majesty and riches of the mind, but dwell in darkness; for your God is blind.

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~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,538	first appropriate use of that damn smiley I've ever seen.

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~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,538	still seems like unfair and hostile treatment based on a person's physical makeup.

04-30-2010, 01:36 PM	#9 (permalink)
Freebase Dali Partying on the inside Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,584	I don't know how far off topic I'll be with this, but I just wanted to put it out there and get other people's insight into it... About 9 years ago I used to work as a welder in a large assembly factory where I was employed for about a year and a half. In that time, I met and talked to a lot of Mexicans (who comprised about 3 quarters of my department alone) and of those people, over half of them were illegal. In conversations with them, particularly the men, I learned that most of them did not want to become a citizen at all. Their sole mission was to make as much money as possible to send back to Mexico to support their families, and not have to pay a lot of taxes on it. They would work it so that the very least amount of income tax was taken out, there was no state tax--this being Florida--and by the time tax season came around, they obviously didn't file. They wouldn't be in the system anyway. So avoiding paying back taxes they would otherwise owe was an advantage to them. Also, the exchange rate was in their favor for sending the money back to Mexico. I'm not condoning nor condemning any of this, but from talking to these people I know why many of them were doing it. The interest wasn't to become an American citizen. It was simply to get a job in America because it pays a lot better than in Mexico. Some of the guys had been working there long enough and their families were even considered "rich" in Mexico because of the money they made for them. I just wonder how some of you view that scenario. Personally, if I were in their shoes I'd be doing the same thing. But being in my own, I have more of an objection for economic reasons. I still don't really know how I feel about it in every regard.