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04-25-2010, 10:50 PM | #41 (permalink) | ||
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There are two groups of people coming into the country illegal. Those who seek employment/work and those who are involved in illegal activities. The fomer should be compared whether or not their actions are "moral" to those who do take trouble to go about it legally and get rejected. It's immoral because they slip through the fence while others get turned away or are rejected because of quotas. Don't you see the position they put themselves in by being an illegal alien. They do more harm to themselves being an illegal alien when they put themselves in a position of be coerced (usually at the hands of their employers or gangs) because of thier status; and inevitably suffer more abuse than otherwise because of it. And that exposes them to the same violence you say there are trying to escape. Immigration laws are enforced not only to protect society but the individual as well. Imo this law was created to deal with that second group illegal aliens those who engage in criminal activities. Drug and gun smuggling, kidnapping, How does one deal with repeat offenders, gangs etc.? Let them goes through a revolving door. Something is wrong isn't wrong because people say it's wrong, and all it takes to make it better is to change one's opinion of it, it's wrong when it hurts a person, or society. Something is wrong when it creates an injustice, and whether or not it is illegal does not depend whether or no you can comprehend what ramifications of an illegal action are. Appealing only to the emotional side of the arguement is not the criteria of morality.
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04-27-2010, 10:14 AM | #42 (permalink) |
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"To give the police greater power than a magistrate is to take a long step down the totalitarian path. Perhaps such a step is desirable to cope with modern forms of lawlessness. But if it is taken, it should be the deliberate choice of the people through a constitutional amendment." Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1, 38 (1968) (Douglas, J., dissenting).
(ftr, if you still don't get it, I think this bill is trash)
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04-27-2010, 10:15 AM | #43 (permalink) | |
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04-27-2010, 02:02 PM | #44 (permalink) | ||
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04-27-2010, 02:10 PM | #45 (permalink) |
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For God's sake, thats so far off from my original post I don't even know how to respond to it.
EDIT: Of course taking the life of another human being for one's own personal gain can't be justified. But these people who are entering our country illegally are doing so with honest intentions and inadvertently causing problems for the legal citizens of the United States. These problems could be avoided if we changed our laws to make entering this country illegally less appealing, and becoming a citizen easier for those who live in poverty. That's not to say we should just let anybody in. I wouldn't know how to fix it, but It's pretty easy to tell it needs to be fixed. Last edited by someonecompletelyrandom; 04-27-2010 at 02:20 PM. |
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04-28-2010, 11:33 AM | #47 (permalink) |
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If the mere existence, or (in this case) a lack thereof is itself a crime (which is what this bill does), why is forcing someone to hand over their identification not a violation of the 5th amendment to not self-incriminate?
All laws like this do is guarantee a violation of civil liberties.
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04-28-2010, 11:40 AM | #48 (permalink) |
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04-28-2010, 11:43 AM | #49 (permalink) |
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I loved this picture too. Apparently it's a crime to do something illegal these days. (and yes, when looking specifically at the law, the caption is technically correct, it's still laughable)
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04-28-2010, 11:45 AM | #50 (permalink) | |
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These corporations have very little accountability on this issue and various other things. Perhaps if the neo cons tackled this instead of big guvment and immigrants, they would be taken more seriously. But that's never gonna happen. Last edited by boo boo; 04-28-2010 at 11:51 AM. |
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