Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 04-25-2010, 08:21 PM

Why do we act like change is such a bad thing? This country has always been built on generation after generation of immigrants.

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Originally Posted by crash_override

And why can't they do that as legal citizens? Is it so much to ask someone to go through a naturalization process? Why do we have to change our policies to conform to them? They have that opportunity under our current policy.

It's difficult and expensive to apply for citizenship. That's why most legal immigrants are generally wealthy and can afford the process. The process needs reforming like anything else with this issue. If it's easier to become a legal, tax paying, resident of the U.S... people might not feel as inclined to enter the US illegally.

crash_override · 04-25-2010, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan

Why do we act like change is such a bad thing? This country has always been built on generation after generation of immigrants.

Yes I agree, but as I said in my last post, why is it so hard for people to see that there is a proper immigration process already? The problem is that most Mexican immigrants find it easier to jump the border illegally and hope for amnesty than to go through the current naturalization process.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 04-25-2010, 08:25 PM

I covered that in my post above.

crash_override · 04-25-2010, 08:36 PM

Yeah we are over lapping posts here, posting in such short intervals and what not.

It just bothers me that people think that America needs to change it's policies when it's the illegals that are doing wrong. Yeah, I understand you guys feel bad for people that want to come into the US and can't without jumping through some hoops. But does that mean we just say **** it, we don't care anymore? No.

It costs about $600 - $800 ($400 for application, $116 for passport, $12 for photographs, plus other various minute paperwork fee's) and takes about 6 months to become a United States citizen. Not some sort of fortune that is out of reach. It's not like our borders are closed, these people already have an opportunity to enter our country legally. Why do we need to change to make it easier for them? It's not like the US government is asking for a first born child to get into the country.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 04-25-2010, 08:43 PM

That's a lot of money considering some 17% of the population live in extreme poverty, and another 20 something in moderate poverty. When a nation that's been touted as a "land of opportunity is right next door, you can see why we have this problem.

Not to mention a large number of them work here illegally just to send money back to their families.

crash_override · 04-25-2010, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan

That's a lot of money considering some 17% of the population live in extreme poverty, and another 20 something in moderate poverty. When a nation that's been touted as a "land of opportunity is right next door, you can see why we have this problem.

Not to mention a large number of them work here illegally just to send money back to their families.

And you're cool with this?

We are not responsible for the economic problems of Mexico, contrary to many peoples beliefs.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 04-25-2010, 08:53 PM

We do pride ourselves on providing equal opportunities and freedom to everyone.

Supposedly.

crash_override · 04-25-2010, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan

We do pride ourselves on providing equal opportunities and freedom to everyone.

Supposedly.

As much as that statement may or may not be true in todays American society, it doesn't apply to criminals.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 04-25-2010, 08:56 PM

I believe that we've made them illegal. And we can change that.

They are criminals in name only.

Look at our prison system. It's full of people who are there because they partook of a substance that's naturally occurring on planet Earth and arguably has little health side effects. They are there because they made a personal decision that effected nobody but themselves. That, to me, is unjust.

If we turn people away who dare seek for themselves a better life then one of living in violence or poverty, that to me is unjust.

The law shouldn't be absolute. It can and should change. I believe the majority of these people are in the moral right, and we've got to adjust to that.

crash_override · 04-25-2010, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan

I believe that we've made them illegal. And we can change that.

They are criminals in name only.

That's an interesting theory, but still, if these people had any serious intentions on becoming productive and law-abiding citizens then why would they make their first act on American soil an illegal one?

You could say that about almost anything really. We made smoking pot illegal, we made driving over the speed limit illegal, we made assault and battery illegal, we made rape illegal, we made drinking and driving illegal, and ****, we even made stealing illegal. Does that mean we should repeal these laws to make it easier for criminals to commit said crimes and not get punished?

Laws are in affect to encourage a standard of behavior in our country, and anyone who can't follow said laws is not fit to be a full functioning citizen, and in turn, is subject to punishment; whether that punishment be jail, probation, fines, and yes, even deportation.

04-25-2010, 08:25 PM	#33 (permalink)
~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,538	I covered that in my post above.

04-25-2010, 08:43 PM	#35 (permalink)
~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,538	That's a lot of money considering some 17% of the population live in extreme poverty, and another 20 something in moderate poverty. When a nation that's been touted as a "land of opportunity is right next door, you can see why we have this problem. Not to mention a large number of them work here illegally just to send money back to their families.

04-25-2010, 08:53 PM	#37 (permalink)
~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,538	We do pride ourselves on providing equal opportunities and freedom to everyone. Supposedly.

04-25-2010, 08:56 PM	#39 (permalink)
~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,538	I believe that we've made them illegal. And we can change that. They are criminals in name only. Look at our prison system. It's full of people who are there because they partook of a substance that's naturally occurring on planet Earth and arguably has little health side effects. They are there because they made a personal decision that effected nobody but themselves. That, to me, is unjust. If we turn people away who dare seek for themselves a better life then one of living in violence or poverty, that to me is unjust. The law shouldn't be absolute. It can and should change. I believe the majority of these people are in the moral right, and we've got to adjust to that.