It's been close to a year... Thoughts on Obama

IamAlejo · 04-21-2010, 04:53 PM

The government does enough to prop up our economy as is. The major reason we are in debt is just careless spending. The amount of federal workers we have right now is ridiculous, it's more of a glorified welfare program than anything.

And even economists struggle to predict slumps and recessions, because if they were that great at it they wouldn't be economists.

duga · 04-21-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by IamAlejo

The government does enough to prop up our economy as is.

This is just another one of those futile arguments where neither of us will be able to change the other's opinion. You think they do enough, I think we need a bigger change than what has been done so far.

So, just agree to disagree, I guess. Everything is taken in such a black and white way in the US, and I think this has been a perfect example of it.

IamAlejo · 04-21-2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

This is just another one of those futile arguments where neither of us will be able to change the other's opinion. You think they do enough, I think we need a bigger change than what has been done so far.

So, just agree to disagree, I guess. Everything is taken in such a black and white way in the US, and I think this has been a perfect example of it.

We have a massive national debt, and a lot of the propping up is the reason for it.

Freebase Dali · 04-21-2010, 05:03 PM

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That argument is ridiculous. Entering a recession is a nice way of saying our economy just ****ed up. I'd call that a fail. So we should just all accept that every few years, we are going to have to put up with this? I'm sorry, but that just sounds dumb. Band-aiding the system and setting it up to do the exact same thing again years down the road is totally wrong. We should have changed the way we do things the first time everything went to hell.

So what do you credit for the points in U.S. history where the economy was doing great and booming?

Just curious.

duga · 04-21-2010, 05:09 PM

Ugh...I've really been trying to wind this down because this could go back and forth until the end of time.

Do I understand that this economy works in cycles? Yes. Do I think there is some law of nature that says it must be this way? No. That's all I'm saying.

Freebase, the booms are a result of the system just as much as the busts...but that isn't what I've been arguing about. Maybe it is just some naive hope that we as a society could think of a way to run an economy that stays stable, but I guess I can dream.

lucifer_sam · 04-21-2010, 05:16 PM

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Considerating the issue of overpopulation and using up our resources, I think there's more to colonizing other planets than it just being "cool".

Space colonization, the possibility of terraforming planets, it's DEFINITELY something worth thinking about regarding the future and prsoperity of the human race. Maybe not a hundred years down the line, but I think we need to look beyond that as well.

We can ensure that things will be better for us a few 50 years down the line, but we should also think about what will happen to us several centuries or even millennia from now, that's by no means a trivial thing, even if it's not terribly urgent. It's something worth thinking about and investing research in.

It's just...too much. During the space/weapons race America could justify spending egregious amounts on extraterrestrial exploration, today the gung-ho attitude is largely deplored among scientific minds. There are too few practical reasons to invest such an enormous wealth of resources to those kinds of projects. We aren't seeking to be "the first" anymore, kinda takes away a lot of the interest away. Which is sad, because I love that stuff.

NSW · 04-21-2010, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Considerating the issue of overpopulation and using up our resources, I think there's more to colonizing other planets than it just being "cool".

Space colonization, the possibility of terraforming planets, it's DEFINITELY something worth thinking about regarding the future and prsoperity of the human race. Maybe not a hundred years down the line, but I think we need to look beyond that as well.

We can ensure that things will be better for us a few 50 years down the line, but we should also think about what will happen to us several centuries or even millennia from now, that's by no means a trivial thing, even if it's not terribly urgent. It's something worth thinking about and investing research in.

I'm not disagreeing with you here. But I do see the practicality of robotic space exploration vs. manned space exploration. It's cheaper, safer...and it could be a stepping stone to future manned space missions, depending on what we discover until then.

It just doesn't seem that important or vital to send humans into space at this point in time. Seems like human's have done all they can do in space for now. And there will come a point in time when it will be imperative to send them back into space. Now just isn't that time.

I will say that as a Texan and Houstonian, I was a little dissappointed that Obama pledged to up jobs at Kennedy Space Center and seemingly left out Johnson Space Center. What gives?

Guybrush · 04-21-2010, 06:03 PM

Worth mentioning is of course that although we're not sending a lot of people into space, some of the things from Boo's post are being worked on. For example, there is still research going on for example on terraforming. I read a scientific article not too long ago about using mirrors in orbit around Mars which I'm fairly sure wasn't that old. It's just a bit harder to notice the smarties thinking in their offices compared to the funding, explosions and death defying drama of the manned explorations.

Yukon Cornelius · 05-03-2010, 01:05 PM

I look at things for what there worth and try to see the good in them.. There is a reason why we let horrible people back out on to the street form the cells we should lock them in forever, there is a reason for the " no child left behind" there are reasons for all of these...

Please don't be that person that just takes the pellet when their master gives it to them, really think about some of this crap...

It has more to do with getting us through the system as cheaply as possbile so the rest can funnel into the big boys pockets.. Your a product, the only thing your missing is a price tag, and more than likely that's being worked out as we speak

IamAlejo · 05-03-2010, 03:01 PM

......I think you mistook this for the conspiracy theories thread below?

04-21-2010, 04:53 PM	#91 (permalink)
IamAlejo Muck Fusic Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 1,575	The government does enough to prop up our economy as is. The major reason we are in debt is just careless spending. The amount of federal workers we have right now is ridiculous, it's more of a glorified welfare program than anything. And even economists struggle to predict slumps and recessions, because if they were that great at it they wouldn't be economists. __________________ a man, a plan, a canal, panama

04-21-2010, 05:09 PM	#95 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	Ugh...I've really been trying to wind this down because this could go back and forth until the end of time. Do I understand that this economy works in cycles? Yes. Do I think there is some law of nature that says it must be this way? No. That's all I'm saying. Freebase, the booms are a result of the system just as much as the busts...but that isn't what I've been arguing about. Maybe it is just some naive hope that we as a society could think of a way to run an economy that stays stable, but I guess I can dream. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

04-21-2010, 06:03 PM	#98 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	Worth mentioning is of course that although we're not sending a lot of people into space, some of the things from Boo's post are being worked on. For example, there is still research going on for example on terraforming. I read a scientific article not too long ago about using mirrors in orbit around Mars which I'm fairly sure wasn't that old. It's just a bit harder to notice the smarties thinking in their offices compared to the funding, explosions and death defying drama of the manned explorations. __________________ Something Completely Different

05-03-2010, 01:05 PM	#99 (permalink)
Yukon Cornelius Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 625	I look at things for what there worth and try to see the good in them.. There is a reason why we let horrible people back out on to the street form the cells we should lock them in forever, there is a reason for the " no child left behind" there are reasons for all of these... Please don't be that person that just takes the pellet when their master gives it to them, really think about some of this crap... It has more to do with getting us through the system as cheaply as possbile so the rest can funnel into the big boys pockets.. Your a product, the only thing your missing is a price tag, and more than likely that's being worked out as we speak __________________ Attempting to find a cure for Stupid...

05-03-2010, 03:01 PM	#100 (permalink)
IamAlejo Muck Fusic Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 1,575	......I think you mistook this for the conspiracy theories thread below? __________________ a man, a plan, a canal, panama