Supposing there is an afterlife

duga · 01-14-2010, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by loveissucide

But he was a crook, and possibly the worst US President.Every criticism of the Bush adminstration was equally applicable to Kennedy/Johnson.Doubtless he would approve.

i'm debating whether or not i should rebut this...i've gotten into the jfk argument so many times i just don't know if have the energy again...

loveissucide · 01-14-2010, 08:12 PM

I just personally can't stand the man.He's seen as a hero in Ireland despite the fact he was accomplished very little, was a racist, slowed down Civil Rights compared to the Presidents before and after him, the Cuban Missile Crisis was his own fault for being so unnecessarily aggressive, he was an adherent of the ridicoulous Domino Theory,and couldn't manage the economy.

anticipation · 01-14-2010, 08:16 PM

I'm guessing your knowledge of US history is pretty slim if you think JFK was one of the worst presidents. He might not have been the most apt at his job, but as far as "worst" presidents go he isn't even in the top ten.

loveissucide · 01-14-2010, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by anticipation

I'm guessing your knowledge of US history is pretty slim if you think JFK was one of the worst presidents. He might not have been the most apt at his job, but as far as "worst" presidents go he isn't even in the top ten.

My knowledge of US History is reasonably good.I heartily dislike Kennedy, but Andrew Johnson,the two Bushes,Ford,Carter,Buchanan and Hoover(despite being an outstanding man) were all worse.JFK remains a disaster though.

duga · 01-14-2010, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by loveissucide

I just personally can't stand the man.He's seen as a hero in Ireland despite the fact he was accomplished very little, was a racist, slowed down Civil Rights compared to the Presidents before and after him, the Cuban Missile Crisis was his own fault for being so unnecessarily aggressive, he was an adherent of the ridicoulous Domino Theory,and couldn't manage the economy.

before this debate requires the use of hard evidence i just want to point out that despite what his accomplishments look like on paper, he has one of the few presidencies where what truly matter are his goals and worldviews. now, i have no clue where you got the racist stuff...in fact johnson thoroughly ended a lot of civil rights movements that kennedy had attempted to set in motion. but as far as everything else goes one thing that needs to be made clear is how ineffectual and ridiculous the two party system in the US is. kennedy was a democrat surrounded by conservatives, and was criticized and fought at every turn. his own cabinet members, including the vice president, attempted to end every policy he tried to make.

kennedy was a president truly elected from what the people wanted and came out of nowhere for the republicans. and he was assassinated for it.

anticipation · 01-14-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by loveissucide

My knowledge of US History is reasonably good.I heartily dislike Kennedy, but Andrew Johnson,the two Bushes,Ford,Carter,Buchanan and Hoover(despite being an outstanding man) were all worse.JFK remains a disaster though.

Throw in John Adams, Andrew Jackson (despite being the coolest pres ever), Woodrow Wilson, and maybe Grant and we've got oursleves a party.

duga · 01-14-2010, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by anticipation

Throw in John Adams, Andrew Jackson (despite being the coolest pres ever), Woodrow Wilson, and maybe Grant and we've got oursleves a party.

jackson may have been instrumental in the terrible treatment of native americans in this country...but the guy walked around with bullets in his chest and ran the country with constant debilitating pain. i wouldn't cross him...

Neapolitan · 01-14-2010, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by loveissucide

What three people within it do you want to meet and why?
Abraham Lincoln-For doing what he saw as being right no matter what the prevailing opinion, putting millions of lives at risk for a cause they had mixed feelings about, for emancipation purely on moral grounds despite there being no idea of the consequences of it. I'd wanna talk to him about morals and ethics

Martin Luther-For putting the lives of himself and all around him at risk by criticising the most powerful organisation on earth, for standing firm on his principles no matter what, and to ask him how he feels about the fact he plunged Europe into chaos simply by doing the right thing.

Elvis Presley- How must it be to revolutionise the world accidentaly, and be acclaimed as a genius despite only being yourself, and how it feels to be so betrayed by those around you and to know you squandered so much potential.

Is any of this serious? Some of it seems tongue in cheek. If you are serious I really can't tell.

loveissucide · 01-15-2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Is any of this serious? Some of it seems tongue in cheek. If you are serious I really can't tell.

Half-serious.I would like to meet all 3.

lucifer_sam · 01-15-2010, 05:39 PM

Nikola Tesla - Incredibly refined Serbian American with a predilection for the inventive and innovative, one of my personal heroes and one of the greatest scientists to ever live. His work is probably far more important to the modern world than anything Edison ever did and he was a great supporter of the arts as well. Sadly he suffered greatly under his rival's domain and died in significant debt as a result.

Frank Zappa - Perhaps not a favorite musician, Zappa was nonetheless an imposing force within the music industry. He represents to me an extraordinarily distinguished individual who was very strident in expressing social commentary, both within his own music and in public venue. In spite of his apparent lack of formal education, I think perhaps Zappa was one of the few true "intellectual" musicians.

Grace Kelly - Take a guess.

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anticipation Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,565	I'm guessing your knowledge of US history is pretty slim if you think JFK was one of the worst presidents. He might not have been the most apt at his job, but as far as "worst" presidents go he isn't even in the top ten.