Haiti

loveissucide · 01-23-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by anticipation

I'm not attacking people because they're donating, nor am I expressing any nationalistic agenda. I'm just asking where was the support before the disaster? Where was the telethons and celebrity campaigning and massive charitable donations when there was no earthquake? People in Haiti have been suffering for longer than two or three months, people have been dying and living in abject squalor for hundreds of years. It just seems to me that people are content to let others suffer and feel no moral need to help them out unless a catastrophic event takes place. In my eyes, the only difference between pre-earthquake Haiti and post-earthquake Haiti will be urban topography. In a few years time there will not be any significant change in the lives of the Haitian people, nor any other people who are suffering, because people don't care about their fellow man.

I'm astonished at your naivety.The mass poverty and suffering in the day-to-day life of Haitians isn't of any interest to the press or the public, mainly becuase it's partially the Western World's fault by virtue of exploitation and neglect.The same was seen in the tsunami benefit and the mass outpouring of support for it, despite the fact that there was a war being fought in the Congo in which 5.4 million and counting died simultaenously. Disasters are easily reportable and therotically nobody's fault,meaning they chime with the bleeding heart brigade even when there's equally grim happening elsewhere.

anticipation · 01-23-2010, 03:50 PM

I don't know if you realize this, but we're making the exact same point. I don't know what part of my post constitutes naivety, considering I already brought up similar situations in a previous post.

anticipation · 01-23-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by khfreek

So your argument this whole time is that you care about your fellow humans more than anyone else here, which is why you don't support aid for Haiti?

How you get this from anything I've said is beyond me. The sentences you quoted are directly aimed at Vanilla, who said she cares about her fellow man, which I refute. At best, those who claim to be concerned but only come out of the woodworks when natural disasters happen are foul-weather humanists, at worst their hypocrites.

khfreek · 01-23-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by anticipation

How you get this from anything I've said is beyond me. The sentences you quoted are directly aimed at Vanilla, who said she cares about her fellow man, which I refute. At best, those who claim to be concerned but only come out of the woodworks when natural disasters happen are foul-weather humanists, at worst their hypocrites.

Since it's "beyond you", I'll bring it into simpler terms. You said in a few years Haiti will be back in poverty because people don't care about their fellow man. Yet you're the one who has a problem with people sending aid to Haiti now, which seems an awful lot to me like everyone caring about their fellow man EXCEPT you. Just because they aren't donating/helping for the reasons you'd like them to be doesn't make them any less humanitarian than you.

Neapolitan · 01-23-2010, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by anticipation

At best, those who claim to be concerned but only come out of the woodworks when natural disasters happen are foul-weather humanists, at worst their hypocrites.

To me as long as they give. I think the more often people give and the more they are a aware of the problems in the world the more humbling is to give, you begin to realize it's only a drop in the bucket. So what if they are foul-weather part-time givers at least did something did when moment called for it, that is better then doing nothing at all.

duga · 01-23-2010, 04:56 PM

i don't think anything can be said about people only helping once a disaster hits. after all, i don't really know many americans that even realized haiti was a country at all. it just isn't talked about or covered in any way shape or for here. so, when people want to get off their asses to help out when a natural disaster occurs that doesn't mean it is just to jump in on the aid bandwagon...it is because people here have honestly never heard enough about haiti to do anything about it before.

i think this disaster and the aid following it will produce a lot of awareness of the country now, which they needed. hopefully things will get better for the country.

ProggyMan · 01-24-2010, 11:58 PM

Please don't donate to the Red Cross, try this organization, or one of many others that has an actual relationship with Haiti and whose donations won't be treated with mistrust, instead:
The Haiti Connection Home

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 01-27-2010, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by anticipation

I'm not attacking people because they're donating, nor am I expressing any nationalistic agenda. I'm just asking where was the support before the disaster? Where was the telethons and celebrity campaigning and massive charitable donations when there was no earthquake? People in Haiti have been suffering for longer than two or three months, people have been dying and living in abject squalor for hundreds of years. It just seems to me that people are content to let others suffer and feel no moral need to help them out unless a catastrophic event takes place. In my eyes, the only difference between pre-earthquake Haiti and post-earthquake Haiti will be urban topography. In a few years time there will not be any significant change in the lives of the Haitian people, nor any other people who are suffering, because people don't care about their fellow man.

I had no idea about Haiti before this disaster, as did half the world. It might be ignorance but the world is a big place. I think this disaster highlighted their poverty and encouraged people to help due to not being able to support themselves or recover at all. The fact is, there are plenty of countries in Africa that are in poverty but do not recieve the proper support they need. So if people can help when they can, the governments need to be the sole providers of aid to those less fortunate.

Arya Stark · 01-27-2010, 04:04 PM

They found her body, I think.
The girl who went to my school.
I can't imagine how her family feels.

duga · 01-27-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar

They found her body, I think.
The girl who went to my school.
I can't imagine how her family feels.

i forget if you mentioned...but were you friends with her?

that is so sad....and very surreal to be connected to a disaster in such a way. in 2004 when the tsunami hit thailand, i had many friends vacationing there. it was the most tense time waiting to hear if everyone was ok. on top of that, my friends back in the US thought that i was dead since the US coverage didn't mention the country i was in actually didn't get hit.

01-23-2010, 04:56 PM	#66 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	i don't think anything can be said about people only helping once a disaster hits. after all, i don't really know many americans that even realized haiti was a country at all. it just isn't talked about or covered in any way shape or for here. so, when people want to get off their asses to help out when a natural disaster occurs that doesn't mean it is just to jump in on the aid bandwagon...it is because people here have honestly never heard enough about haiti to do anything about it before. i think this disaster and the aid following it will produce a lot of awareness of the country now, which they needed. hopefully things will get better for the country. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

01-23-2010, 03:50 PM	#62 (permalink)
anticipation Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,565	I don't know if you realize this, but we're making the exact same point. I don't know what part of my post constitutes naivety, considering I already brought up similar situations in a previous post.

01-24-2010, 11:58 PM	#67 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	Please don't donate to the Red Cross, try this organization, or one of many others that has an actual relationship with Haiti and whose donations won't be treated with mistrust, instead: The Haiti Connection Home