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Old 01-14-2010, 11:02 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Well honestly they didn't have much to begin with. While its horrible to endure this - people are still under buildings - ultimatly we may end up better than where we were in Haitit...



Wait what?
Don't worry, I found it puzzling too. That's because it's a two-way street. Foreign countries can't have it both ways. They get pissed at us when we get involved in their affairs, but when we don't they get angry at us for not helping out. We're the unappreciated parent country.
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Old 01-14-2010, 11:06 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Wait what?
yeah...the long history of us/haiti interaction started way back when they gained their independence. it is the only known country to have gained independence through a slave revolt and the us did not want this to inspire slaves in the us to do the same so they took it upon themselves to help out haiti's enemies. that never worked out, but from then until the present the us has consistently interfered with their government to "maintain democracy". they have instigated coups, inserted your everyday corrupt puppet leader and generally had their way with the country time and again. not that a whole ton of other countries haven't done the same. all of this has caused the people of haiti to be in constant fear of foreign government interference as well as keeping them in a state of perpetual poverty.
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Old 01-14-2010, 11:11 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Alright well how does this square with Clinton both today and in 1993 when he poured relief effort in there? Was the money poisioned?

I mean if you're going back to benito cereno, I would imagine that yeah we took a couple whacks at Haiti, and given it was French Dominated I'm sure we stepped up to help there (as we GD always do stupidly) but I don't think we're, in modernity anyway, going after Haiti to the point that we're ruining them.

We had 8 years of America attempting to install democracies. Why leave out Haiti?
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Old 01-14-2010, 11:15 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Alright well how does this square with Clinton both today and in 1993 when he poured relief effort in there? Was the money poisioned?

I mean if you're going back to benito cereno, I would imagine that yeah we took a couple whacks at Haiti, and given it was French Dominated I'm sure we stepped up to help there (as we GD always do stupidly) but I don't think we're, in modernity anyway, going after Haiti to the point that we're ruining them.

We had 8 years of America attempting to install democracies. Why leave out Haiti?
i could agree if it was an honest attempt to better the country. there always seemed to be another agenda, imo. the aid we pour into the country is worthless if all it does is contribute to outstanding debts. haiti has consistently asked for only one thing: debt forgiveness. if they had they would be back to even and they could get on with focusing on their own country. the leaders we keep sticking them with always seem to be the same people the haitians ousted in the first place.
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Old 01-14-2010, 11:48 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Don't worry, I found it puzzling too. That's because it's a two-way street. Foreign countries can't have it both ways. They get pissed at us when we get involved in their affairs, but when we don't they get angry at us for not helping out. We're the unappreciated parent country.
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I always feel no matter what happens there are people who just waiting to condemn America. And somehow they overlook the generosity of the American people to help the those who suffer from natural disasters.
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"Damned if you do, damned if you don't."
I always feel no matter what happens there are people who just waiting to condemn America. And somehow they overlook the generosity of the American people to help the those who suffer from natural disasters.
being american i feel like i can criticize the government when i don't agree with it. that says nothing of the american people. the government has its own motivations that, to me, are not always noble. i have no doubts there are plenty of american citizens that are totally willing to help another country when it needs it.
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I've had a lot of attention from the video I posted and it sickens me how racist some American's are towards the Haitians. Basically it's their own fault because some of them practice voodoo and praise the Devil. That's like saying don't help the German's in a natural disaster because they had Hitler and the Nazi's kill 6 million Jews.
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I've had a lot of attention from the video I posted and it sickens me how racist some American's are towards the Haitians. Basically it's their own fault because some of them practice voodoo and praise the Devil. That's like saying don't help the German's in a natural disaster because they had Hitler and the Nazi's kill 6 million Jews.
youtube quotes bother me a lot. it is only a matter of time before every single video's comments degenerate into someone calling someone *** or saying something racist. the people that troll that site's comments really don't have a life. don't listen to it.
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Old 01-15-2010, 05:18 AM   #19 (permalink)
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It's good the world is going to their aid. But my god.. this is terrible. So much death has been happening in this century. Has the world always been like that?
I don't like it.
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I just donated 10 bucks.I know its not alot,but im a broke a$$.I hope they can recover.
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