Has the world become too PC?

right-track · 12-21-2009, 06:09 PM

K*** ?

loveissucide · 12-21-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track

K*** ?

Think anti-semitic.No idea why it was the first word to pop into my head.

~~Harry~~ · 12-21-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by loveissucide

I'm quite glad one can't use words like N*****,D*****,Q****,F*****,K***,Y**etc on the grounds that it's just a joke anymore and that the words have connonations of discrimination,slavery,and injustice attached to them.But then I suppose I'm some sort of pinko liberal.

That's not political correctness, that's common courtesy. There's a difference between being Un-PC and being RUDE

Neapolitan · 12-22-2009, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry

I believe you all should recall that incident with the promotional firefighter test? Went to court and such. Things like that happen a lot nowadays because it's the PC thing to do, and because companies and unis have quotas to have this many black people, this many minorities. Ridiculous.

Before you start believing "ya'll should recall," you have to understand this forum is an international community and they might not get news from New England as easily as you do.

~~Harry~~ · 12-22-2009, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Before you start believing "ya'll should recall," you have to understand this forum is an international community and they might not get news from New England as easily as you do.

Okay? I do understand that, but I also feel that someone who comes to debate an issue should have a proper background on the controversies surrounding it.

http://www.thegrio.com/2009/11/black-firefighters-attempt-to-block-promotions-for-white-colleagues.php
^A quick abstract on the subject

Neapolitan · 12-22-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry

Okay? I do understand that, but I also feel that someone who comes to debate an issue should have a proper background on the controversies surrounding it.

Wether debating in a school yard or in a pub or maybe even online; people only bring up examples they know about and care enough about to remember, no one can have a proper background and be adequately prepared for a debate because there is too much happening in the world to know everything that goes on in it. Instead of expecting other people know the example you give you should present it in your own arguement and show why it is one of many examples that you feel happens all the time.

that link you provided came up no dice Page Not Found Error

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Originally Posted by loveissucide

I'm quite glad one can't use words like N*****,D*****,Q****,F*****,K***,Y**etc on the grounds that it's just a joke anymore

ok, I agree with you that NYDK is disgusting, but what are the other two examples?

~~Harry~~ · 12-23-2009, 11:11 AM

Http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...&invol=07-1428 try that. So in a sense, you"re advocating for thefact that each debator is equipped with his own arsenal of information, yet denouncing me for bringing info that most europeans man not know of? How contradicting. Regardless, my point still stands.

Neapolitan · 12-23-2009, 11:59 PM

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Http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...&invol=07-1428 try that. So in a sense, you"re advocating for thefact that each debator is equipped with his own arsenal of information, yet denouncing me for bringing info that most europeans man not know of? How contradicting. Regardless, my point still stands.

I didn't denounce you for bringing up the incident of the firefighters test takers, I was trying explain that sometimes you have to elaborate on an example because something that you consider common knowledge may not be to other people. I didn't denounce you for bringing up that case to, I just thought what you said put the onus on other people to know what you meant about the case in New England. I don't know what to make out about it. On one hand the complainant sounds like he is part of a minority in America, Italain-American are only 6% of the US population. (Christine Ricci even though has an Italian name she considers herself Scotch-Irish and they are about like less then 2% of the US population.) So being poosibly an Italian American (and even if there is a small possiblity the complainant was Scots-Irish) he doesn't earn protected minority status, which is what I got from reading the article on wiki - the city was force to disregard the the test because it excluded members of a protected minority.

I could not link the second hyper-link you provided so I had to use Google to learn more about the case you mentioned.

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Ricci and eighteen other white test takers, plus one Hispanic,[15% of US population] all of whom would have qualified for consideration for the promotions, sued the city including Mayor John DeStefano, Jr. The lead plaintiff was Frank Ricci, who has been a firefighter at the New Haven station for 11 years. Ricci gave up a second job to have time to study for the test. Because he has dyslexia, he paid an acquaintance $1,000 to read his textbooks on to audiotapes. Ricci also made flashcards, took practice tests, worked with a study group, and participated in mock interviews. He placed 6th among 77 people who took the lieutenant's test.[12]

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 12-24-2009, 12:03 AM

If you guys think the world has gone too PC you're going to hate my Xmas Eve sixpack.

~~Harry~~ · 12-24-2009, 10:33 AM

In the case, I'm pretty positive it was not about being "Italian-America" and what not. According to the information provided, it was more about being "black" VS "white," which is race, not ethnic background.

Not sure where you're going with your post, but the point of including that article is to provide an example on how PC goes too far, e.g. the tests were disposed of because "white" firefighters did too well, and the "black" firefighters did not follow suit, so they did not want all the "whites" to earn the promotion. It runs along with, I don't know if you have heard of this, but "affirmative action" and such. It is basically minorities receiving better treatment than white people, because of slave reparations and ridiculous beliefs like that. I don't know on you, but I have never owned a slave, nor have I ever segregated between blacks and whites, so if I were in America applying for that job, I would expect fair treatment in regards to employment and promotion opportunity.

And that, my friend, is why I posted the article. "Italian-American" aside, because ethnic background is trivial in this example.

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~~Harry~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Leith Posts: 72	Http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...&invol=07-1428 try that. So in a sense, you"re advocating for thefact that each debator is equipped with his own arsenal of information, yet denouncing me for bringing info that most europeans man not know of? How contradicting. Regardless, my point still stands.

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~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,538	If you guys think the world has gone too PC you're going to hate my Xmas Eve sixpack.

12-24-2009, 10:33 AM	#50 (permalink)
~~Harry~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Leith Posts: 72	In the case, I'm pretty positive it was not about being "Italian-America" and what not. According to the information provided, it was more about being "black" VS "white," which is race, not ethnic background. Not sure where you're going with your post, but the point of including that article is to provide an example on how PC goes too far, e.g. the tests were disposed of because "white" firefighters did too well, and the "black" firefighters did not follow suit, so they did not want all the "whites" to earn the promotion. It runs along with, I don't know if you have heard of this, but "affirmative action" and such. It is basically minorities receiving better treatment than white people, because of slave reparations and ridiculous beliefs like that. I don't know on you, but I have never owned a slave, nor have I ever segregated between blacks and whites, so if I were in America applying for that job, I would expect fair treatment in regards to employment and promotion opportunity. And that, my friend, is why I posted the article. "Italian-American" aside, because ethnic background is trivial in this example.