The BNP

Molecules · 11-05-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk

That line about Jack Straw's father being locked up for refusing to fight the nazi's while his was in the RAF was priceless. That was arguably the most laughably poor pissing contest i have ever seen and i fail to see its relevance. I didn't think grown men lowered themselves to the old "my dad could beat up your dad" shit you would hear in primary school, which is essentially what it was as far as im concerned.

to the nationalist bigots all over the country upon whose vote he will count, that kind of puerile accusation would be relevant, as you heard they have appropriated churchill as their role model, the rationing era was a time of core British values or some bull**** to them
these people are operating in the same vacuum as ever, and i disagree that Griffin didn't get to hang himself on that show - between all the audience persecution he said plenty! Yes, those were actually his policies! It was a debate, and excluding the jeering, he lost to reason.
Giving him any more floor time with a sympathetic Burnley audience or something would have been dangerous, people are f*cking impressionable,

right-track · 11-05-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Molecules

Giving him any more floor time with a sympathetic Burnley audience or something would have been dangerous, people are f*cking impressionable,

And that's why it would have been more effective against his party had he been given a fair opportunity.
There is however an argument that to give these people a voice in any media whatsoever is a dangerous president to set.
After all, any publicity is good publicity and bad publicity to the kind of people they're hoping to attract is an attractive proposition to their mindset.
The Neanderthalic nationalist bigots wallow is this kind of shit.

I still think though, that the majority of people in Britain are still bright enough and right minded enough to make up their own minds, given enough information.
Allowing the BNP to humiliate themselves would have been far more valuable than the barbed remarks thrown Griffin's way.

mojopunk...about the 'your Dad's a coward and mine was in the RAF' jibe.
It's interesting to wonder who's father is the prouder of the two.
The conscientious objector of a father of the high ranking government politician, or the fascist freedom fighting RAF serviceman of the fascist politician.

Mr Sensitive · 11-07-2009, 08:17 PM

It's really disconcerting to see the ammount of BNP supporters on Youtube. Trying to get into a good debate with them is like shouting at a brick wall.

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"I and i'm sure that most who are watching/reading this agree's with what she said,I too have ties with britain dating back over 1500 years ago (lol wut?), That's before islam was even thought of and One of my relatives even made 2 of the benches in the house of commons and the house of lords so no-one can say that I don't belong here.
I'll vote for whichever party I want, I have read the BNP's policies and I agree 95% of them which is a lot more than any other party of choice.
Return England to English"

I know there are loads of morons on youtube but c'mon that just takes the biscuit.

On the subject of Questiontime I totally agree with everything that's been said. What a wasted opportunity.

Unknown Soldier · 12-03-2009, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by loveissucide

I don't understand how any party that belives in an indigneous people can flourish in Britiain, when anyone with even the slightest knowledge of history will know that the "indigenous" British themselves are the result of millenia of intermarriage,mass immigration and colonisation-first by Celts(Irish and French),Romans(Mediterreanean),Anglo-Saxons(Germans),Vikings,Normans(French and Norse),Irish again in the 19th and 20th century,and later Asians,West Indians and Africans in the mid-to-late 20th and 21st.

And to those who point out they are simply reflecting the alienated, I reply that although these people may be alienated,it does not give a party who believe that the Republic Of Ireland should be forced back into Union any degree of credibilty.

They fully accept this, they just don`t like the mass immigration of non-whites into the country from the ex-colonies. They seem to forget, that these people came in, to do jobs that none of the so called indigenous population of the time didn`t want to do.

Unknown Soldier · 12-03-2009, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by right-track

If this is true, the BNP are bigger idiots than I gave them credit for.

Republic of Ireland despite not being part of the UK is still part of the British Isles, this is how their warped logic works. Its the same type of logic that Nazi Germany used, in incorporating German speaking peoples into an expanding Germany at the time.

Unknown Soldier · 12-03-2009, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Molecules

fuck british identity, nobody here gives a **** about the next guy until it comes time to project the hate or protect their wage slips
the way Polish are treated, especially considering the UK's strong ties with the country is certainly considered discrimanatory by me, and i'd imagine most people in this country of polish-british descent. If you want to blame someone for immigration, as we've said, blame the government and don't moan when there's a shortage of qualified doctors and people to mop up your friday night puke

People go on about the Poles but they are now EU citizens, so they are no longer immigrants from a technical point of view.

loveissucide · 12-03-2009, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

They fully accept this, they just don`t like the mass immigration of non-whites into the country from the ex-colonies. They seem to forget, that these people came in, to do jobs that none of the so called indigenous population of the time didn`t want to do.

For wages they wouldn't work for too.Even in this recession,the Poles are holding on to their jobs for the simple reason they're better employees then local workers who refused them when they had the chance.

Unknown Soldier · 12-03-2009, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by loveissucide

For wages they wouldn't work for too.Even in this recession,the Poles are holding on to their jobs for the simple reason they're better employees then local workers who refused them when they had the chance.

Wherever you go in the EU its the same. The locally born people won`t do the jobs that they deem inferior either and certainly not for the low wages that the immigrants are paid, at times the wages that immigrants are paid are not as bad as some make out, admittedly the hours they work can be long.

When there`s a recession such as now and the locals are losing their jobs, they start crying for blood about how immigrants are nicking all the jobs etc....its all quite pathetic really. They don`t seem to realize, that if they lowered their standard of living and cut out the excesses (excessive spending) they too could also survive on the wages that many immigrants are paid, then there would be no need to bring immigrants over in the first place.

The Monkey · 12-03-2009, 08:19 AM

Is the immigration really that big? The right-wing populists in this country at least always tend to vastly exaggerate the number of annual non-European immigrants.

Unknown Soldier · 12-03-2009, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey

Is the immigration really that big? The right-wing populists in this country at least always tend to vastly exaggerate the number of annual non-European immigrants.

It`s no bigger than many other similiar EU countries and in some cases smaller countries such as Sweden (population wise) take in more immigrants legal or non-legal per % of the population than the UK anyway, that is certainly based on stats that I saw some time ago. Countries like Canada and Australia take in far more immigrants than the EU anyway, so the right wingers in the UK tend to greatly exagerrate this to garner support, the whole thing is then made worse when rags like the Daily Mail also harper on about the same thing.

Its also been shown, that for the amount of people that come into the UK, a similiar amount leave as well. The amount of Brits that move overseas is a huge amount anually.

By the way, I just saw that you were based in Sweden, is my example of using Sweden correct?

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The Monkey Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 803	Is the immigration really that big? The right-wing populists in this country at least always tend to vastly exaggerate the number of annual non-European immigrants.