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View Poll Results: What religion do you follow? | |||
Christianity | 38 | 20.32% | |
Buddhism | 3 | 1.60% | |
Hinduism | 1 | 0.53% | |
Islam | 2 | 1.07% | |
Judaism | 4 | 2.14% | |
Wiccanism | 1 | 0.53% | |
Other established religion (feel free to post about it) | 6 | 3.21% | |
Self-defined | 25 | 13.37% | |
Don't follow any religion & don't believe in deities (atheist) | 68 | 36.36% | |
Not Sure, undecided, don't know or don't care | 39 | 20.86% | |
Sikhism | 0 | 0% | |
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12-19-2015, 04:12 PM | #492 (permalink) |
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I hate the use of the word beliefs in regard to hard science. Does one have a belief in gravity? Or atomic energy? Or a person's white blood cell count and how it relates to cancer?
Belief @ Dictionary.com noun 1. something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat. 2. confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief. 3. confidence; faith; trust: a child's belief in his parents. 4. a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith: the Christian belief. The only people I encounter who refer to science as a belief system are those who question its validity in relation to evolution and God in general.
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12-19-2015, 04:15 PM | #493 (permalink) | |||
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Language is meant to define objects and ideas, not draw vague, tenuous links between two otherwise unrelated objects/ideas.
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12-19-2015, 05:25 PM | #495 (permalink) | |
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If you think Christianity and the scientific community are unrelated in the discussion of what qualifies as a religion, there might be something tenuous here and it's your sense of reason. You admittedly are approaching this subjectively by citing your own observations to support your claim...so it's already sustainable that you're approaching this from a perspective of what religion means to you (thereby omitting any objectivity) and not how religion is academically-defined or exists apart from any subjective interpretation, and I defer to the authority of a dictionary before some misguided interpretation of a stranger. There are myriads of examples from both the merriam-webster listing and dictionary.com including communities most would traditionally not associate with the colloquial usage of religion, but people omitting those examples either betrays a failure to understand it or willful omission that's not faithful to the strict definition of the word...how I use it. Do whatchu feel...if there's an "ATHEIST CHURCH" in London and you can't admit that supports my claim, I can deal with that. If your understanding of a religion requires acquiescence of a deity, you clearly fail to understand what a religion is. And I'm clocking out of this race to see who can cross the finishline to foolville first. See you on the other side, man. |
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12-19-2015, 05:42 PM | #496 (permalink) | |
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Iunno, but yeah original point a theory is a belief in something and that belief is subject to change given evidence to overturn the original belief. Science doesn't consider it a cold, hard fact until it's passed rigorous testing and over time is then considered a law. They keep looking for a unified theory between relativity and quantum physics, that's what Michio Kaku's doing with his unified field theory working, coming from a background in quantum physics. But all the mathematical models and theories that the most brilliant minds of our time can't do it yet... Science is equally as questionable, in fact there are many unknown and unexplained phenomena that science can't explain. Everybody wants to arrogantly assume humanity has it all figured out. It's silly. There's nothing wrong with saying "I don't know" and then resolving to discover. It's that very mentality that has driven discovery and invention for hundreds of years but it couldn't have been done without humbling one's self first and then approaching discovery with an objective mind set. It's cool, we don't have to discuss semantics anymore. I've already warned that debates break down before they even get off the ground when there is no consensus on the definition of the subjects of the debate. I am not contesting your definition of a belief but if you don't see how a theory is a suspended belief in the stage before knowledge, that's another dog chasing its own tail discussion. |
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12-19-2015, 05:45 PM | #497 (permalink) | |
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12-19-2015, 05:52 PM | #498 (permalink) | |
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I see you have some sort of gripe about people judging Christians or something but it's irrelevant to whether or not atheism is a religion. It isn't one, according to your own definitions. You can pretend it's one all want, and you pretend fish are hair dyers as well if you'd like, but what's the point? |
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12-19-2015, 06:17 PM | #499 (permalink) | ||
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hahaha, I'm just kidding. But seriously... I took this from the source you referenced earlier. You can find it here: Religion | Definition of Religion by Merriam-Webster I'm clearly the one who is misunderstanding the idea of what a religion is. Quote:
Wow, Food, you're a religion too? IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN'T DO?! Again...their words--not mine. No big deal tho, just a dictionary but who cares what a dictionary says around here? You can even find "atheist" listed, alongside "unaffiliated" (which is what I think you intend when you describe an atheist), under "religion." https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...rint_2122.html CIA world factbook is pretty authoritative, in my humble opinion. There's another thing for you to dismiss. Last edited by Hip-Hop Homework; 12-19-2015 at 06:23 PM. |
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12-19-2015, 06:35 PM | #500 (permalink) | ||
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Anyway, yes, when the word is used in that metaphorical way, it can be used to apply to anything, which means that usage is irrelevant to the subject of this thread. I just assumed you were smart enough to know that and weren't a troll. Guess I was wrong on one of those fronts. |
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