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mmk, i lost who asked this of me...but i believe that God "intervenes" through humans. His existence doesn't depend on us by any means...but we are "his hands and feet" (it says that somewhere in the bible....i need to read up on that stuff) and effectively the medium for communication.
As for the old testament.... well i think the events described therein are so radically different from what we see today because the people have changed, not God. People then were more open to such things...not neccesarily because they had been raised to believe in the God that asserted himself (a lot of them hadn't), but because they relyed more on their spirituality as a way to survive. People were still the medium for communication, but the tunnel wasn't so small....does that make sense??


Lately i have become quite outraged at the typical american/european/australian (basically first world countries) christian.
The miracles of the new testement...we tend to get all uptight because they just don't happen anymore...but the truth is they ARE, just in the places where there is sufficient faith and need...ie third world countries. The way we live our lives (in general) is so blasted hypocritical that i can't even wrap my mind around it.
My family decided to have "bible time" this last sunday...and dont get me wrong, i think its great...in fact the decision is probably long over-due...but we are just sooo bad at it. No connection with God, no connection with eachother...nothing. And its just as much my fault as anyone elses. It just makes me deeply deeply sad.

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What I heard was antedote from some women whose son converted to Jehova Witnessism, about something mundane as receiving birthday presents.

Like I said I know very little of Jehova Witnessism practices, what I heard is that believe Jesus is the Archangel Michael and they don't believe in the Trinity. So JW's are not real Christians but a cult of pseudo-Christians.

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Oh yeah I remember that, great stuff.

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So, of all the billions of people throughout history. God is gonna pick 144,000?

Talk about a choosy guy.

Seriously, so much about the Bible is ridiculously fixated on Israel, usually whenever The Bible refers to the world or the earth, it's referring to Israel, like the people who wrote the bible neither knew or cared about what went on in the rest of the world.

144, 000? That's freaking ridiculous. There's about 2 billion Christians in the world, so guess what? According to the Jehovahs Witnesses, most of them are SOL. Jews are god's chosen people right, so according to the bible they are probably the only people who can go to heaven.

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Um, what?

Seriously this is news to me. How are catholics more conservative than protestants?

Catholicism does have more order and strictess to it, it's more of an organization so to speak. But I know of more liberal Catholics than I know of liberal Protestants.

Isn't that, I dunno, one of the reasons protestants think catholics are the embodiment of pure evil?

Anyway, the only good reason I think people can argue that catholicism is different from christianity is that they pray to other divine beings outside of the Holy Trinity. Like the Virgin Mary and Saint Peter. Some might even argue that it's a polytheistic religion.

That's probably what Vanilla had in mind.

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The catholic church is more a unified system. There is no protestant equivalent so how conservative a protestant is becomes completely relative.

Norway is not a particularly religious country, protestantism is the thing here, but less than half our population consider themselves christian, at least according to the last numbers I saw. The majority of those who consider themselves christian have a very relaxed relationship with their faith.

On average over here, catholics are seen as more conservative I guess. At least until you enter some kind of protestant sect community. We have some of those, but of course you have more of them in America.

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depends what conservative means I'd guess. Catholics are at least unfied on abortion and the death penalty. In the U.S. that makes them half conservative.

Catholics are fairly liberal on social issues like poverty, ecology, and the like.

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Boobs, please take the time to read my posts.

144,000: The Annointed Chosen to Rule with Jesus Christ - from early century Christians onward.

Other people throughout history: Will probably be ressurected as they had no chance of truly knowing God's message to mankind. They will live on the earth.



If you don't agree with the beliefs than I am not trying to force you to. I have no interest in debating anything with anybody, I just wanted to clear up a misconception.