Is it just me, or does heaven sound like a really horrible place?

~~CAPTAIN CAVEMAN~~ · 01-16-2010, 06:10 AM

l'enfer, c'est les autres

cardboard adolescent · 01-16-2010, 05:42 PM

“Eckhart saw Hell too. He said: The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of life, your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you, he said. They're freeing your soul. So, if you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.”

right-track · 01-16-2010, 06:37 PM

Was this before or after he died?

cardboard adolescent · 01-16-2010, 08:39 PM

after, obviously

Freebase Dali · 01-16-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

“Eckhart saw Hell too. He said: The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of life, your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you, he said. They're freeing your soul. So, if you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.”

Wow... subjectivity exists when we no longer exist?

How strange.
I'm beginning to suspect that someone played a trick on us...

Yukon Cornelius · 01-21-2010, 01:31 PM

I follow nothing to be honest, however what i have heard is that we are all being tested here on earth and that nothing here really matters that much once you pass over. With this being said to me its sounds as if this is just part of our "souls" journey.

I'm a firm believer however that once you die thats it. Maybe when I'm on my deathbed I will shoot a few foxhole prayers and the good lord will let me through the majestic pearly gates.

Ghosts on the other hand I am undecided about. Ghosts to me are residual energy left from the living with no conscience. The best way i can think of to discribe what i am trying to say is they are sorta burned into the earth "I know wierd right".

Science project,

Grab a camera and go into a pitch black room, turn on the flash aim it at your hand and take a picture within a few seconds you will see your hand whether it is still there or not. Don't do this a ton as it is horrible for your eyes.

V/r

YC

boo boo · 01-27-2010, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

“Eckhart saw Hell too. He said: The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of life, your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you, he said. They're freeing your soul. So, if you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.”

I don't know anything about theology or this Eckhart person.

But this is why I choose to have no position on spiritual matters like this because I personally find statements like that to be incredibly pompous and stupid.

I don't consider death a blessing like some crazy people, I know life is terrible, but I have learned to treasure it anyway. Tragedy and suffering is merely a by product of life, but if you're still willing to continue living then in some way you have accepted life for what it is.

I'm not terribly interested in theology or philosophy, I don't think trying to find the meaning of life is worth the trouble even if there was a meaning because if we were meant to know it we would.

duga · 01-27-2010, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

I don't know anything about theology or this Eckhart person.

But this is why I choose to have no position on spiritual matters like this because I personally find statements like that to be incredibly pompous and stupid.

I don't consider death a blessing like some crazy people, I know life is terrible, but I have learned to treasure it anyway. Tragedy and suffering is merely a by product of life, but if you're still willing to continue living then in some way you have accepted life for what it is.

I'm not terribly interested in theology or philosophy, I don't think trying to find the meaning of life is worth the trouble even if there was a meaning because if we were meant to know it we would.

i can see how a lot of people would think that way, but think about this.

the reason we have self awareness at all is because there was a time in our evolution while we were still hominids and there was a surplus of food and no natural disasters. our hominid ancestors no longer had to focus all mental energy on survival only. we could sit and wonder...and thus developed the intelligence we have today.

the same still applies. without sitting and wondering on life and spirituality or even science, we would make no progress. we would not evolve mentally...we would be stuck the way we are.

boo boo · 01-27-2010, 09:58 PM

No, I'm very pro science, though sometimes I'll take a moral stance on something that might be personally motivated.

I'm not anti-philosophy per se, but unlike science I don't think there can ever be an objective truth in philosophy, or anything that will ever have a huge impact on human civilization, not at this point in time when people and their beliefs are so incredibly diverse.

To me it seems like more of a hobby than anything.

01-21-2010, 01:31 PM	#196 (permalink)
Yukon Cornelius Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 625	I follow nothing to be honest, however what i have heard is that we are all being tested here on earth and that nothing here really matters that much once you pass over. With this being said to me its sounds as if this is just part of our "souls" journey. I'm a firm believer however that once you die thats it. Maybe when I'm on my deathbed I will shoot a few foxhole prayers and the good lord will let me through the majestic pearly gates. Ghosts on the other hand I am undecided about. Ghosts to me are residual energy left from the living with no conscience. The best way i can think of to discribe what i am trying to say is they are sorta burned into the earth "I know wierd right". Science project, Grab a camera and go into a pitch black room, turn on the flash aim it at your hand and take a picture within a few seconds you will see your hand whether it is still there or not. Don't do this a ton as it is horrible for your eyes. V/r YC __________________ Attempting to find a cure for Stupid...

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01-16-2010, 05:42 PM	#192 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	“Eckhart saw Hell too. He said: The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of life, your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you, he said. They're freeing your soul. So, if you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.”

01-16-2010, 06:37 PM	#193 (permalink)
right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,723	Was this before or after he died?

01-16-2010, 08:39 PM	#194 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	after, obviously