The God Particle
 

I have been doing a whole bunch of reading upon the subject and really just gotten more confused.

Does anyone who marginally understands mind explaining this whole theory/experiment?

Are you talking about DMT?

lmao :bonkhead:;)

No mate, this: The God Particle - National Geographic Magazine

Well I've known about that angels & demons stuff

I thought you were talking about this:

Overview of DMT: The Spirit Molecule, by Dr. Rick Strassman.

I think i have actually read part of that book they talk about. Not as good as he makes it sound :(

But yea it was in Angels and demons, and also surprisingly they did an accurate job portraying part of it. The scientists are very closed about the entire project because of the dangers. In which case the public would shut them down or slow them up.

physicists are hoping to find the Higgs boson, because this is the only missing link in the general model of physics. the theory is that this is the particle that gives other particles their mass. the higgs boson is basically dark matter it is a very heavy particle. the theory is that as particles pass through the higgs field they interact with it, gaining their mass. not finding the higgs boson would be a huge blow to boson's theory and physics would still be stuck where it is at the moment, trying to work out why this universe IS and why matter triumphed over anti-matter in the microseconds after the big bang. we would be back to square one and physicists would give up on the higgs theory and search for a new theory to base more research on.

It could be a huge leap forward scientifically if it is found. Simply put, If it exists, then the big bang happened. Pretty crazy huh?

George Noory just had this guy on last week, and he talked about this. I would suggest watching it to be honest. At least this part.

YouTube - Nassim Haramein - 2009 - Space Time & Physics - Coast TO Coast AM - 6/11

I want to see what all of the religious nuts would have to say about that if it were proven true. Especially the catholic church.

They'd say "God caused the big bang".
Maybe he ate some day old Taco Bell and explosively expelled lowly matter into a cosmic toilet bowl, and we've been floating around in it ever since.

The Catholic Church already does say that.

In the beginning only God exist. Taco Bell only came into being billions of years after the big bang. God does not need to eat to sustain His life, because God is eternal, they is nothing that He needs to eat, let alone some fast food from a primeval Taco Bell. And cosmos wasn't before the big bang, the universe as we know it today along with toilet didn't exist before the big bang, so it couldn't have been a cosmic toilet bowl, either.

You're really good at that.

Fixed.

I understand the basics. If you know there are atoms, but you don't know what they're made up of, you can bang two atoms together really hard so they break into smaller pieces. With very fine measuring equipment, you can try and register those smaller bits.

That's what particle colliders do. They just bang particles together and hopefully, one can register the existence of even smaller particles than the ones you banged together. Perhaps it's somehow possible to get to the "bottom" of things (Higgs boson?), perhaps not. Discoveries of smaller particles and how they all relate to eachother advance physics.

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In order to explain physics, some phycisists have hypothesized the existence of certain particles without actually knowing if they exist or not. That's part of what makes these experiments seem so deterministic, although they can't predict what's going to happen or what they will find, they're also looking for particles that so far only exist in theory.

Wouldn't the chances of them being successful being absurdly low?

I think so, I guess they have to do these collisions over and over and over again ..

Any word on LHC and the status? I know they started it up already, but I seem to remember something about some problems they had to work through. I didn't get much information about it.

As far as I know, they've had problems with the magnets and so it's not fully operational yet. I think they're scheduled to have it ready to run experiments in november.

I'm quite looking forward to the publications .. Although physics is not my field and it's a bit hard to sorta hang on when it gets advanced, I find it extremely interestnig. Wouldn't like to work with it though!

I get a hard on for physics.
I'm definitely on seat edges about the experiment results when it happens.

I find it funny that the sceintist threw away the idea of æther and then take up the all pervasive Higgs Fields. lol

Neapolitan, check out the article that was posted and you'll see the Higgs Boson is pretty central. What I posted was basically a summary, although if you want to get into it, why not.

Feel free to define what you think of as "æther" and point out where you think I threw away that idea only to contradict myself later on.

Are a scientist that live in the 19th century?
No - then I wasn't directly talking about you.

Not every post is invite to a confrontation. I think you misunderstood what I was said.

Oh right .. sorry, thought you were making a reference to something I'd said.

What can I say? It was before 7 AM :(

oh, no. I would explain what I thought was funny or ironic, but then you'll think I'm some kinda nerd.

btw my Englsih in that last post was terrible. What can I say, I just stop thinking after 1 AM.

^I think I get your idea, actually, the higgs field is supposed to make up the environment in which all the other larger particles move around in, it's a kind of æther. That word has a lot of mystical and mythical connotations with it which might make it less appropriate, but for a fun comparison I guess it works.

What are they going to do if they don't find this particle? Because isn't everything dependent on this thing existing? Without the higgs boson none of their theories would be right, correct?

^Not everything, but some of the pioneering theories dealing on the very edge of what we know, yes .. although I don't know how much. Proving that something we've never seen or knowingly experienced before doesn't exist will be hard, though. If they prove it's not there, they'll make new theory to accomodate that new knowledge.

Sometimes you come up with an explanation to a phenomena, a hypothesis that explains why something happens. Even if that explanation turns out to be wrong, the phenomena is still there and so you can come up with a different hypothesis.

That tiny particle that was responsible for the big bang.....wouldn't it have had to always exist before the universe? If so, where did it come from, the only explanation is infinite regression or a god.

Think about it.

How about God then.....wouldn't he/she have had to always exist before the universe? If so, where did he/she come from, the only explanation is infinite regression or über-god.

Think about it.

Exist outside the universe, maybe. Sure scientists might one day prove how it was created from small sub atomic particles, but why the smallest singularity is even present to allow this will always be a mystery. And infinite regression is the only logical explanation for it's existence.

Something tells me there is more out there than the universe. Something we can't sense, but it is the reason the universe was made possible.

In other words, why is there anything at all, instead of nothing?

edit: After thinking about it for a while i came to the conclusion that with the big bang theory came space and TIME. So basically, there was no time before the big bang. So according to this theory, whatever triggered the big bang, existed in an infinite time so it always existed.

To be honest any claims scientists make about how/why/where everything was created is just a good a guess as you or I could make.