The God Particle

Guybrush · 09-03-2009, 11:30 PM

Neapolitan, check out the article that was posted and you'll see the Higgs Boson is pretty central. What I posted was basically a summary, although if you want to get into it, why not.

Feel free to define what you think of as "æther" and point out where you think I threw away that idea only to contradict myself later on.

Neapolitan · 09-04-2009, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

Neapolitan, check out the article that was posted and you'll see the Higgs Boson is pretty central. What I posted was basically a summary, although if you want to get into it, why not.

Feel free to define what you think of as "æther" and point out where you think I threw away that idea only to contradict myself later on.

Are a scientist that live in the 19th century?
No - then I wasn't directly talking about you.

Not every post is invite to a confrontation. I think you misunderstood what I was said.

Guybrush · 09-04-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Are a scientist that live in the 19th century?
No - then I wasn't directly talking about you.

Not every post is invite to a confrontation. I think you misunderstood what I was said.

Oh right .. sorry, thought you were making a reference to something I'd said.

What can I say? It was before 7 AM

Neapolitan · 09-04-2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

Oh right .. sorry, thought you were making a reference to something I'd said.

What can I say? It was before 7 AM

oh, no. I would explain what I thought was funny or ironic, but then you'll think I'm some kinda nerd.

btw my Englsih in that last post was terrible. What can I say, I just stop thinking after 1 AM.

Guybrush · 09-04-2009, 12:25 AM

^I think I get your idea, actually, the higgs field is supposed to make up the environment in which all the other larger particles move around in, it's a kind of æther. That word has a lot of mystical and mythical connotations with it which might make it less appropriate, but for a fun comparison I guess it works.

Darkest Hour · 09-04-2009, 12:30 AM

What are they going to do if they don't find this particle? Because isn't everything dependent on this thing existing? Without the higgs boson none of their theories would be right, correct?

Guybrush · 09-04-2009, 12:37 AM

^Not everything, but some of the pioneering theories dealing on the very edge of what we know, yes .. although I don't know how much. Proving that something we've never seen or knowingly experienced before doesn't exist will be hard, though. If they prove it's not there, they'll make new theory to accomodate that new knowledge.

Sometimes you come up with an explanation to a phenomena, a hypothesis that explains why something happens. Even if that explanation turns out to be wrong, the phenomena is still there and so you can come up with a different hypothesis.

Darkest Hour · 11-05-2009, 11:56 PM

That tiny particle that was responsible for the big bang.....wouldn't it have had to always exist before the universe? If so, where did it come from, the only explanation is infinite regression or a god.

Think about it.

Guybrush · 11-06-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkest Hour

That tiny particle that was responsible for the big bang.....wouldn't it have had to always exist before the universe? If so, where did it come from, the only explanation is infinite regression or a god.

Think about it.

How about God then.....wouldn't he/she have had to always exist before the universe? If so, where did he/she come from, the only explanation is infinite regression or über-god.

Think about it.

Darkest Hour · 11-06-2009, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

How about God then.....wouldn't he/she have had to always exist before the universe? If so, where did he/she come from, the only explanation is infinite regression or über-god.

Think about it.

Exist outside the universe, maybe. Sure scientists might one day prove how it was created from small sub atomic particles, but why the smallest singularity is even present to allow this will always be a mystery. And infinite regression is the only logical explanation for it's existence.

Something tells me there is more out there than the universe. Something we can't sense, but it is the reason the universe was made possible.

09-03-2009, 11:30 PM	#21 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	Neapolitan, check out the article that was posted and you'll see the Higgs Boson is pretty central. What I posted was basically a summary, although if you want to get into it, why not. Feel free to define what you think of as "æther" and point out where you think I threw away that idea only to contradict myself later on. __________________ Something Completely Different

09-04-2009, 12:25 AM	#25 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	^I think I get your idea, actually, the higgs field is supposed to make up the environment in which all the other larger particles move around in, it's a kind of æther. That word has a lot of mystical and mythical connotations with it which might make it less appropriate, but for a fun comparison I guess it works. __________________ Something Completely Different

09-04-2009, 12:30 AM	#26 (permalink)
Darkest Hour Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 764	What are they going to do if they don't find this particle? Because isn't everything dependent on this thing existing? Without the higgs boson none of their theories would be right, correct? __________________

09-04-2009, 12:37 AM	#27 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	^Not everything, but some of the pioneering theories dealing on the very edge of what we know, yes .. although I don't know how much. Proving that something we've never seen or knowingly experienced before doesn't exist will be hard, though. If they prove it's not there, they'll make new theory to accomodate that new knowledge. Sometimes you come up with an explanation to a phenomena, a hypothesis that explains why something happens. Even if that explanation turns out to be wrong, the phenomena is still there and so you can come up with a different hypothesis. __________________ Something Completely Different

11-05-2009, 11:56 PM	#28 (permalink)
Darkest Hour Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 764	That tiny particle that was responsible for the big bang.....wouldn't it have had to always exist before the universe? If so, where did it come from, the only explanation is infinite regression or a god. Think about it. __________________