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Dr. Prunk
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And again my problem is that radical feminists do to true feminist ideas what Fred Phelps does to true Christian ideals, they make a mockery of their cause and give it a bad reputation. Quote:
If a lot of women only want to f*ck A&F models, so what? As unrealistic as that may be, I'm not gonna force my pale hairy nerd ass down their throats because I don't meet their sexual preference. The idea of feminism should be as basic as women doing whatever the hell they want (and fighting for the right to do it) and not give a damn, not force their ideals down our throats. Quote:
It's pretty damn clear I don't think all feminists meet the profile of what I'm talking about. I'm pro diversity and my problem is feminists who contradict themselves. Quote:
What people do or don't do is influenced by their upbringing, I'm aware of that. But while society shapes us to be a certain way, being driven to make yourself into the exact opposite of what society tells you to be and then tell other people that they should be like you and do the same is yet another form of comformity. Actually it's not "another form" at all, it's the same thing, yet at a primitive stage. Quote:
Just a little respect for other peoples ideals and preferences would be nice, if I find someone to be ugly, so what? I don't tell them they're ugly personally, so in return they shouldn't get naked in front of me, call me a sexist and expect me not to tell them what I think. If people don't like something about you, ignore them, and that includes having the common courtesy not to rub it in their face. Women like Ditty who make a public event out of posing nude for a magazine and get pissed when people give their opinions are only demeaning themselves further. In other words. A fat ugly woman getting naked in front of me knowing damn well it's gonna get a disgusted reaction is the equivalent of farting in someones face and then bitching at them for gagging. |
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Good, then we essentially agree with eachother on the big issues. Perhaps you should request another change in the title...rather than targeting feminism you should perhaps proceed to bitch and moan about all the ridiculous radicals and fundamentalists that want everyone to think and act just like them. Oh wait, thats the way the world will always be, people will be idiots! Ironically, thats exactly what I'm doing...wasting my time bitching and moaning about other peoples idiotic behaviors and ideas.
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However, I am convinced that your statement has some merit, and i sorely regret that your exposure to feminism has consisted of such individuals that cannot see the big picture and who are therefore mis-representing the cause. Quote:
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Personally, I think her behavior stems from a very deep low self-esteem, but what do i know.
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How in the blue hell would the establishment of a classless society entail ridding ourselves of cultural diversity? Quote:
Nyesus, just because some friend of your mommy's is now, thanks to the feminist movement, able to earn over $60,000 a year doesn't necessarily mean that women throughout the "third world" are being treated as equals. To claim that there's "nothing left for feminist activists to do" is just bloody ridiculous and almost cheerfully ignorant. Quote:
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And all of this after you spend a night ripping on Christopher Hitchens for being a supposed "sexist jerk". ![]() Last edited by Wayfarer; 08-21-2009 at 03:12 PM. |
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Hooray for Wayfarer!!!!!!!!!
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Dr. Prunk
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I'm not an idiot, I know women in many areas of the world are treated like crap. What I'm saying is, that in American culture it's become nothing more than a liability for both men and women. I applaud feminists who are making a difference around the world or at least try to. But there's a lot of so called feminists in this country, who instead of actually concerning themselves with real problems, choose to bitch about Playboy and Disney movies instead. And thus instead of contributing to real feminist causes they just make a mockery out of it. Quote:
Second, yeah, that's why I don't like Beth Ditto. As she's clearly a wonderful person. If I rip on someone for being ugly it's somebody I clearly have a personal dislike of to begin with. Isn't that the case for most people? Why yes, it is. Quote:
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You expressed yourself beautifully in your post (and I'm not just saying that because we both love vegetables). When the media present a certain view of women (or of men) as ideal, then this not only reflects culture but also shapes culture, and often seems to result in people feeling bad about their bodies, which helps no one (except those who produce a myriad of beauty products and get rich off of human insecurities). I do feel it is important that public policy encourages an understanding of health so that all people, whether heavyset or thin, can know steps to take (no pun intended) to improve their health, but like you I don't want anyone to be ridiculed for her or his body. Quote:
People's opinions about bodies are affected not only by genetics but culture, obviously, and that is as it is and I am okay with it. For example, evolutionary biologists might say one reason you prefer women without leg hair is this makes them look more youthful, and there is an evolutionary advantage (higher potential for more offspring) if a male procreates with a younger female. When someone's appearance becomes the main characteristic that others think of when dealing with that person, though, that concerns me, especially if they treat a person disrespectfully because of her or his appearance. A lot of your concern seems to revolve around your feeling that you are being told to find all women attractive. I do feel it is understandable that you, like all of us, have your own preferences for beauty and I certainly support you in finding people you feel are attractive. After growing up in a society where women shave, I don't know if even *I* would classify my leg hair as "attractive"...I see it as more just being there and a pleasant reminder that I am a mammal. In my case, I see intellect and non-conformity as attractive (I picked my mate in large part for his beautiful brain), so if I see a man with longer hair I look at him longer and with more interest. I actually think that people appreciating each other for physical as well as personality characteristics is a very healthy and important part of society...attraction and flirting are a nice social glue that bonds people together. I can understand you not liking moral imperialism. One gripe I have as a feminist is the U.S. version of Sharia laws for women: men can be in public topless, but women get arrested if they have their shirts off. This is an example of sexual oppression (the laws were put in place mainly by men, and I suspect many women are raised to see their breast nudity as "lewd"). I would like to create a different norm: one that results in people wanting laws for women and men to be the same.
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Of course if you'd much rather troll in ignorance and tell people to kill their children and dwarfs you'd be better suited going to a forum discussing Christianity where you can upset people who will passionately give a damn. Or you could actually read the book yourself cover to cover and learn something of what you're talking about instead of hammering in dated clichés. YouTube - The Chaser's War on Everything: Do you Believe the Bible is True? Quote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpVKjbU3F2M Fundamentally disagree. The obese and anorexics have eaten (or under eaten) themselves to a point where their own health is at (major) risk, their ability to reproduce is significantly damaged and their appearance is obscene and offensive. Don't get me wrong I would far, far rather a slightly overweight lass in preference to an underweight lass but when you've eaten to the point of such gluttony that you look like Beth Ditto, your cankles don't ... really ... stop ..., your back aches from all the unnatural levels of weight it's supporting and your rolls of fat are vast enough to home a leper colony you really, really should be ashamed and society is doing you a disservice if it isn't reaffirming the fact that if you don't get on an exercise bike you're going to die.
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1:18-20: The "wrath of God" is upon all unbelievers and they are "without excuse". 1:21: The hearts of unbelievers are "dark" and "foolish". 1:26-28: Paul castigates homosexuals. 1:31-32: Homosexuals are "worthy of death". And how about, let's say...the Gospel of Luke (I'm picking at random here, it's not as though these kinds of bigotries and cruelties are hard to come by in the New Testament) 3:9: Those who do not bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down and cast into the fire." 11:23: Jesus says, "he who is not with me is against me." 12:10: Those who blaspheme against the holy ghost will never be forgiven. 12:46-47: Jesus likens God to a slave-owner that beats his slaves "with many stripes." 13:23:30: Jesus says that only a few will be saved, and the rest will burn eternally in hell, where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Now, how about...1 Peter? Sure, why not? 1:2: We have no say in whether we are saved or damned. We are predestined to one or the other and this was ascertained by "the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ." Actually, before digging too deeply into 1 Peter, let's have a gawk at this unforgettable gem from 2 Peter: 3:7: God will set the Earth aflame so as to burn all "ungodly men" to death. Shall I go on, no? |
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