boo boo

I only argue with people worth arguing with, and at this point I've giving up arguing with anyone who has absolutely no understanding of or respect for my point of view.

It's one thing to disagree with me and another to throw insults like "sexist pig" simply because you disagree with me. Perhaps if you actually read all my previous posts you'd already find a lot of legitimate answers and rebuttals to your comments.

I've made it clear time and time again that I'm not talking about all feminists, I've made it clear time and time again that I'm perfectly aware that not all women in the world are treated equally, I've made it clear time and time again that I'm not even against things like maternity leave I'm just pointing out it's contradiction to the ideal of perfect equality.

But NO, all of that ad nauseum can't stop you from making stupid strawman arguments with the sole purpose of baiting me, insulting me and completely disregarding my points that I feel perfectly expressed my point of view, which, I guess I have to add for the umpteenth time, is NOT directed at feminism as a whole anyway.

So your argument is pointless, but of course you won't end there, I guess this is the point where you try to educate me on what my own point of view is.

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Astronomer

Are you serious? Giving birth is probably the most traumatising thing a woman will ever go through, and will need time off after it for both physical and mental recovery. If people get sick pay, and have a medical certificate for being sick, why shouldn't maternity leave exist? Because the 12 weeks after having a baby are hell on your body. Not to mention that you now have another human being to look after. Ask any woman and I doubt they would say that they would have a child just to get 12 weeks pay of not doing their job. That is a joke. A child is a HUGE amount of work, for life.

If maternity leave didn't exist, no women would be able to stay in the workforce. She would have children, or a child, have to leave her job and then have no money to look after the child. Even if the father is contributing an income there is no way a single income would be able to comfortably raise the child. This means no money for childcare or other services and so the mother would be stuck at home looking after the child (which is fucking damn hard work) and not being able to re-enter the workforce until the child is old enough. With such a long break from being at work it will be incredibly difficult for the mother to re-enter the work force at the same level in which she left it. Maternity leave is there to ensure that women can have the same opportunities to have a place in the workforce, just like men. Why do we send girls to school if they're just biologically engineered to have children and look after them? Because they deserve the same opportunities to have an education and a career just as men do.

Maternity leave is also beneficial to society like tore said. It is ensuring that parents, not women, but parents have the adequate resources to raise their children effectively. It's not like the woman is going to go off and spend her maternity leave money on new clothes and a good time. That money will all go towards raising the child. To deny maternity leave is not only denying women equality in the workplace, but is also denying families the chance to have comfortable resources to raise their children.

Over here men also have access to paternity leave, but you're right in that they don't get paid. Men do not need to recover from the act of giving birth. They don't need to be there to supply milk out of their breasts for the baby. They can still go to work after the baby has been born. This is why it is not paid leave.

Suggesting that women are having babies just to get time off work is ridiculous. And if any woman thinks that she can have a baby to 'get out of' something (like crash suggested) makes me think that that woman is going to be in for a big shock when she has the child and realises how much work it is and how much of a toll it takes on your body and your mind.

I'm not going to bother arguing here anymore because obviously the majority of males on this website believe that women are meant to churn out children, not get paid, and stay at home because that is what they are biologically programmed to do. It makes me so upset to hear guys complain about women getting 'privileges' when they have no fucking idea what it is like to be a woman in the world, what it is like having to give birth and raise children, what it is like having to see men progress in the world and earn lots of money and recieve personal fulfillment while you don't because you have kids at home that you have to look after. You have no idea what it is like waking up every morning and having to fight for your rights, written and unwritten, all day just because you were born with a vagina.

I also find it ironic that none of these arguments are coming from people who have had kids, and have no idea how difficult it is raising a family in these times both financially and emotionally. When you start thinking about having a family, and you have a female partner in which you are having kids with or whatever, you will realise how much it costs in terms of money and personal strength, to raise children.

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Boo boo, I understand you may feel attacked. I personally feel that you may feel this way because of a couple things. For one, you struggle with feeling like you're the dirt of the world and therefor are too scared of validating that feeling to admit you are wrong. If I am right, then I wish I could see your face as you read that statement. The second reason being that because of the joy you associate with arguing and being bored, you started some uneducated and clearly ignorant rant against something that is not only very important, but also has to do with the empowerment of an entire oppressed group of people.

See, but it doesn't even stop there. No, you linger on, head-strong and stubborn supporting a point that there's a 90% chance you don't even inherently believe, continually contradicting your already unstable and laughably weak arguments and pretending on some music forum that you actually have some belief or value in what you're saying to not feel insecure.

And, I would like to point out, if you feel attacked, that what you're getting as far as a response from the forum is incoherent with your argument; because if there really was a cult branch of feminism which, just because it's "radical", was as one-sided and degrading to people as you're being right now, one of their supporters would have come in here and ripped you a new one by now.

Fortunately for you real feminists have more to do with their own empowerment as a person, and are therefor usually put together enough to post their one point or two and be okay with that despite what you, society, or anybody says. Yes, even the radicals. Which, by the way, I think you should stop disregarding the progress and achievements of (which socially are phenomenal for everybody) and learn to respect. After all, I wasn't able to keep my mouth shut- and I'm usually good at that!

This isn't against you in any way, of course, I just wanted to point out what I was noticing to you- maybe crack that skull of yours (even if you won't admit it). Why? Well, sadly, I've been coming back to this thread over and over and I got a little angry. Over a forum! Damnit! I'll post this anyway. Enjoy MB.

boo boo

Schizo. Congrats, you actually beat out Ethan in being the pretentious, condescending twat of the day.

It would be wise to just let other people carry on with this discussion, I should have stopped talking a long time ago, especially since I made all the points I wanted to make in the very first post and you're all too goddamn retarded to understand that I don't believe in even half of the things you are accusing me of saying.

I knew that taking on a hot issue like this would get rough, but I didn't expect so many of you (I thought some of you had a brain, my mistake) to be so goddamn dense, so please, keep looking at things in such a black and white point of view, which is that because I'm not ok with radicalism like you all are, that makes me a sexist Nazi who thinks oppression in women doesn't exist and that all feminists are evil, even though, well ****, obviously nobody actually listens to what I'm saying.

You already have your mind made up that I'm Adolf Hitler I'm fine with that. Women are weak, useless, menstrating parasites. They should all die, men are superior in every way, so Lateralus, STFU you stupid bitch and get back in the kitchen.

Happy now?

Also, at this point you can all tell that I really don't give a f*ck about being mod anymore, if being mod means having to pretend that you're not all a bunch of self righteous c*nts, then forget it.

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Yikes.

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ahhh, so this is why all those people got banned

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Looks like boo boo went beserk!

Haven't got time to sort this out at the moment, so if someone can pm me, or another mod with the details (who got banned and why etc)...we'll deal with this later...

Astronomer

This forum is fucked and sexist. I know boo boo that you were trying to make a point with your angry rant but something is ****ing wrong when a moderator tells you:

"Women are weak, useless, menstrating parasites. They should all die, men are superior in every way, so Lateralus, STFU you stupid bitch and get back in the kitchen."

I'm over this bullshit.

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Guybrush

Alright, I've tried to clean up this mess - people who were banned should now be unbanned.

Like RT, I have to run but send me a PM if anyone finds there's something to be done that I forgot.

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I think that part was facetious. Y'know, one of those joke thingies.