Guybrush

Maternity leave is not just in the interest of women, it's in interest for families who have little children and therefore of value to society itself which is made up such families and will be more or less run by these kids in the future. To be against maternity leave really doesn't make much sense.

If you want equality, rather than be anti maternity leave, it should make more sense to be pro paternity leave.

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boo boo

I'm not dissing maternity leave I'm just saying it's not equal rights.

But like I said from the get go, men and women can't be truly equal in every way. I'm not at all saying men are superior, I'm saying we have our differences and we should actually embrace those differences, not shun them.

Either way, just don't put me in the same category as that Dano dumbass.

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Double X

Men and women have different needs. So yes, they are being equal because they are addressing the need of mothers to take a maternity leave. They shouldn't be discriminated against in the workplace for being pregnant.

Do you think kids with learning disabilities should be ignored? Because other kids aren't going to get the exact same treatment as the kid in a SPED program. I know it's tactless to related women to disabled children...but still.

crash_override

I can tell you first hand that from my experiences on the military side of life that women are not treated equally. In the Navy we have this little thing we like to call "Equal oppurtunity, without equal responsibility", and that's exactly what it is. Females get all the benefits and oppurtunities males get, but are able to evade the responsibilities and duties much more easily. Which leaves you know who with the job. See, in the Navy it's all about where you're at. You don't want to be on the ship, noone does. So if you're a female and you don't like being on the ship, guess what you can do? Get pregnant. Now, instead of being out to sea for 6 months straight, you're sitting at home working half days. Not to mention the 3 months you get off work after you have the baby (keep in mind you're getting paid the same as the people working 16hr days on the ship).

I know Laterlarus is probably going to try and shank me after this. But the truth hurts, and in the Navy, that's just how it is. I'm telling you first hand. Right now my boss is trying to get pregnant so she doesn't have to go to Iraq at the end of the year, and guess who's going in her place when she does. The difference between the military and the civilian working world is that the military can't fire you, which opens the flood gates for females to get pregnant. Not saying all military women are like that, but again, majority rules. I feel that, in most cases, 'equal oppurtunity' is just a PC way of saying "More perks for women".

As for being fired because of pregnancy and being told it was for something else so they don't have to pay your maternity leave, the same thing goes for guys that have bad backs and knees in labor jobs. They get fired all the time under some BS cause simply because they don't want to pay workmans compensation. It's basically the same thing, except the males get less attention, and there's one key difference. One of those things is able to be controlled.

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boo boo

No, enough with the strawmen.

I'm all for equality but let's not confuse equality with special treatment.

I've lived a very sheltered, alienated life simply because my legal gaurdian likes to tell everyone I'm special, and look where that has gotten me in life. Nowhere.

If you want to prove that you are capable of doing things just like anyone else, then just do it, asking for handouts isn't the way to go.

Dads can get paternity leave but there's no pay involved. But now people are pushing for paid maternity leave and is that equality for both sexes? No it isn't. It sends a mixed message, and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of women are stupid enough to start getting knocked up solely to get 12 weeks pay for not doing their job.

Hooray for equal rights.

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franzfergidon

Hey, Dano was disabled? I knew that was gonna happen...
Anyways...

I think I'm actually gonna agree with boo boo here... I think there are some feminists who take things waaaaay too far. It gets on my nerves cos I'm a girl, duh... and I don't agree with all things that they say... it's too much (like "I don't like when a guy holds open a door for me because he thinks I'm weak" my response: waaaaaat? I could never be like that... cos I was taught to hold open doors for everyone, cos it's about respect... not being weak or strong O_o).

But on other points, I'm not sure what to think... I don't like when guys refuse to do anything involving music with me BECAUSE I'm a girl. Maybe it's just a Southern thing. Damn I wish I didn't live in the South.

Sorry if I'm completely off in this argument/discussion. Just my two cents.

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Wayfarer

LMFAO.

Wow, I cannot even believe I just read that. Just...stop, boo boo. Honestly. You're only making it increasingly apparent that you do, indeed, seldom associate with women you aren't related to. And I'm not saying this to take some kind of personal stab at you; I can't remember exactly where (may have even been earlier on in this thread), but I'm sure I recall you saying that you rarely converse with women.

sleepy jack

Yeah boo boo needs to shut up. Gender inequality does exist and it isn't become "both sexes are different" that's a very ignorant and childish thing to say.

Your argument, in regards to the work place, that woman just need to "prove they're better" in order to get treated equally as men (which they aren't - they're not being given equal opportunity and statistically make less then men do for the same jobs) is you showing you're a, eegads, sexist pig! Or at least chauvinistically ignorant. That's not the attitude you should have, you should have one of indignation in the same way you should be indigent of any other group being, be they ethnic or religious, being discriminated against because of something about their person. A woman can do a better job then a male and still be paid less in that position. It's considered acceptable and it's common place. You think that's fair? Or acceptable because "men and woman are different?" Woman make, in the United States alone, 77% of the income men make and you're complaining so much about maternity leave but something like 60% of woman have it available to them. So it's not exactly a rampant problem (though it shouldn't be at all - as tore pointed out because it’s more of a family issue than a mother issue.)

As far as woman being so lucky in the military, considering their inclusion has led to sexual assaults of all kinds and they're generally treated terribly in the military I think them wanting to get out is perfectly understandable considering they generally aren’t treated like human beings there, but rather a piece of ass.

Woman are an oppressed group; the argument that they aren’t silly. Read the Old Testament, or the Qu'ran and then look at people like yourself who insist on high standards that don't apply to the male gender. It’s something that’s become ingrained in our culture, look how the advertising portrays them as submissive and unrealistically beautiful (which psychologically has shown to lead woman being treated like doormats in society, hello domestic abuse.)

You’re not any better then woman because you have a penis boo boo, but your place in society however is far better, and saying woman should just suck it up only shows you're own pigheadness. It's this kind of attitude that leads to the male-dominated policy making arena doing nothing in regards to gender equality and it's this kind of attitude that breeds sexism, domestic abuse, rape and gender inequity. Honestly Wayfarer is right, the things you've said in this show you're not only ignorant of gender equality from an academic standpoint but that you rarely, if ever, socialize with people. Get off you ass and get a job, or go get some other dose of reality in some form beyond the internet and television.

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crash_override

Learn your facts man... actually most military related sexual assaults occur between military men and civilian women, often foreign women. In fact 17.6% of civilian women in the us have experienced rape/attempted rape or sexual assault (source:RAINN) compared to just 11% of active duty and reserve military women (source:PBS). So statistically speaking, you are safer as a female in the military.

Welcome to the military.

They don't want to get out, they want to stay in for the pay and not have to do any work. There's a difference.

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boo boo

Leave it to captain emo pants to completely overlook every point I try to make over and over again just like he has been doing for the past 4 years. It's like you TRY to miss my point completely and then come off as a self rightous jackass.

I'm tired of your bullsh*t, you're nothing but an overdramatic, self important clown, and this isn't even worth analyzing.

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